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In Reply to: Mr. Hansen while there are things that to you "made no sense whatsoever" you should not be so presumptuous posted by bjh on May 29, 2006 at 09:11:41:
...in my advanced quantum mechanics course, my classmates and I used Feynmann diagrams and some very complex math to compute the anomolous magnetic moment of the electron using QED techniques. At this point I'd had about 8 years of training in math and theoretical physics. Of course this had been done already several decades before, and was in all the books. I had access to all the original papers and was free to consult my classmates, and my professor during office hours (as well as any books I might find helpful from the well-stocked math-physics library. The prof also lectured on the topic twice a week during that time.I remember doing pretty much nothing else for a whole week--maybe two. In the end I got it, and it was an amazing experience. Sure, this is QED 101, but it was a thrill to reproduce this elegant bit of science. But it was one of the hardest things I can remember doing in physics graduate school. Really intense. Picture integrals three lines long where every symbol represents some other expression that is itself a line or two long. That's a lot to keep track of. And in the end you get nothing but a number, even if it's a pretty important number. And during this time I never had the experience of communing with electrons or whatever the hell this Web site is talking about.
Would someone please tell me what extroardinarily talented scientist did the work referred to on the Belt site? I know that it surpassed Feynmann, and my grad-school QM prof didn't mention it. I've looked through my books (Landau and Lifshitz, Merzbacher (who taught me QM in grad school), a few others) and couldn't find anything about it. But maybe it's just too new to be in the books yet. Still, there ought to be some juicy papers to read in Science (my current employer; pretty sure I haven't seen anything there) or at least in Physical Review Letters. Maybe that's where it was.
Hey, would someone send me a link to the relevant literature?
This kind of bullshit infuriates me. Charles is this the kind of stuff you're trying to defend?
Jim Austin
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- When I was in graduate school... - Jim Austin 12:52:58 05/29/06 (95)
- It is your belief that what you did with the Feynmann diagrams has anything to do with audio that infuriates others. - Norm 15:15:25 05/29/06 (69)
- Norm, I think you're missing the point. - Rick W 16:00:30 05/29/06 (68)
- Re: Norm, I think you're missing the point. - Jim Austin 16:07:01 05/29/06 (0)
- You are right. I just am offended by chips for chumps - Norm 16:39:17 05/29/06 (66)
- I did try the silly things and I can't think of a better title. - Dave Pogue 16:45:12 05/29/06 (0)
- Your anger is misplaced. - bjh 18:13:30 05/29/06 (64)
- Almost agree (surprise!) - Charles Hansen 19:01:13 05/29/06 (59)
- Re: Almost agree (surprise!) - John Atkinson 19:26:00 05/29/06 (48)
- Pls cancel my subscrtiption!!! - hexenboden 19:39:27 05/29/06 (0)
- I largely agree with Charles, and I think you are trying to draw the line for him and others - Norm 20:23:51 05/29/06 (1)
- "So was the X ray." And look at all the, ah, scientists who derided the concept. Just like anaesthesia. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:09:41 05/30/06 (0)
- Try the SPECTRA Dynamics Foculpods ... - bjh 20:59:27 05/29/06 (0)
- Wull, yahbut - Charles Hansen 04:45:52 05/30/06 (2)
- Stop making sense! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:10:24 05/30/06 (1)
- Am an attendant lord, one that will do (nt) - Jim Austin 10:11:53 05/30/06 (0)
- A matter of trust? - Charles Hansen 07:38:39 05/30/06 (10)
- "Steve Harris, Ken Kessler, John Curl, and Bobby Palkovic." Pish tish! Mere dabblers! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:13:22 05/30/06 (9)
- Re: "Steve Harris, Ken Kessler, John Curl, and Bobby Palkovic." Pish tish! Mere dabblers! nt - Charles Hansen 09:22:43 05/30/06 (7)
- Shows what I get for... - clarkjohnsen 09:36:35 05/30/06 (6)
- Yeah, Harvard is famous for its music appreciation courses. GMAB. nt - Rick W 09:49:11 05/30/06 (4)
- Actually . . . it is. nt - markrohr 08:37:45 05/31/06 (3)
- Is, and was since the 1800s, sporting the country's oldest continuing performing orchestra. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:45:11 05/31/06 (0)
- Plus -- that coarse and crass poster once again demonstrates his ignorance and presumption. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:48:04 05/31/06 (1)
- I gotta eat crow. - Rick W 19:10:58 05/31/06 (0)
- Shows that attempting to educate a block head is as futile as using a brick to absorb a spill? nt - bjh 10:09:38 05/30/06 (0)
- No, I'm not Prince Hamlet! (nt) - Jim Austin 10:11:26 05/30/06 (0)
- Words of wisdom from the past? - Charles Hansen 07:49:09 05/30/06 (29)
- Are you confused Mr. Hansen? - bjh 09:04:05 05/30/06 (2)
- Now we know why you and I rarely agree - Charles Hansen 09:21:30 05/30/06 (1)
- Not terribly bright are you? ... a quality concomitant with the need to be always right. nt - bjh 10:24:38 05/30/06 (0)
- Re: Words of wisdom from the past? - May Belt 10:20:50 05/30/06 (4)
- Re: Words of wisdom from the past? - bjh 13:56:27 05/31/06 (2)
- Re: Words of wisdom from the past? - May Belt 14:47:43 05/31/06 (1)
- Thank you. Quite a qualification I must say! - bjh 19:45:55 05/31/06 (0)
- "They think people should know"? But PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO KNOW! - clarkjohnsen 10:38:49 05/31/06 (0)
- Re: Words of wisdom from the past? - John Atkinson 11:15:33 05/30/06 (20)
- Wull, yahbut - Charles Hansen 12:04:36 05/30/06 (19)
- Aaah... - John Atkinson 14:19:59 05/30/06 (18)
- So I suppose that next Stereophile will start publishing Arny Krueger? - Charles Hansen 16:07:23 05/30/06 (3)
- Re: So I suppose that next Stereophile will start publishing Arny Krueger? - John Atkinson 22:25:15 05/31/06 (0)
- I think he'd have to learn to write first. nt - Analog Scott 16:25:04 05/30/06 (1)
- Actually, there is a debate between AK and JA on the Stereophile site. - Pat D 07:16:31 06/01/06 (0)
- As an editor I will agree with John - David W. Robinson 20:15:52 05/30/06 (6)
- Exactly Right - John Atkinson 22:22:09 05/31/06 (1)
- Please note... - Jim Austin 09:28:30 06/01/06 (0)
- As always, the devil is in the details - Charles Hansen 21:02:27 05/30/06 (3)
- Actually, the devil can be many places... - David W. Robinson 23:51:38 05/30/06 (2)
- You would have a different view if you read the article in question. - Charles Hansen 05:44:44 05/31/06 (1)
- One could further add that Austin *ceremoniously* trashed it. - clarkjohnsen 10:30:08 05/31/06 (0)
- The central fact remains... - Jim Austin 04:46:08 05/31/06 (6)
- Re: The central fact remains... - john curl 21:40:16 05/31/06 (1)
- Here's the thread I was referring to over the 'phone. - clarkjohnsen 07:39:37 06/05/06 (0)
- More bullshit appealing to emotions, without a shred of evidence. - Charles Hansen 05:49:22 05/31/06 (1)
- Tune in next week when we'll witness our hero, ... - bjh 07:10:25 05/31/06 (0)
- I must say ... - bjh 08:09:14 05/31/06 (0)
- "...and Charles Hansen gets richer." Now *that* is genuinely crude... and too late to delete! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:34:52 05/31/06 (0)
- Well, taking a page from the Hansen Method - How to Respond to a Conciliatory Entreaty ... - bjh 20:28:37 05/29/06 (6)
- You forgot "dink"! (nt) - Jim Austin 03:04:44 05/30/06 (1)
- Drink! - Charles Hansen 04:51:01 05/30/06 (0)
- Even though I was pretty sure what the content of this post would be like... - andy_c 09:19:06 05/30/06 (3)
- Re: Even though I was pretty sure what the content of this post would be like... - Charles Hansen 09:30:08 05/30/06 (2)
- Okay, I will try to look up info... - andy_c 18:47:01 05/30/06 (1)
- Re: Okay, I will try to look up info... - Charles Hansen 19:07:07 05/30/06 (0)
- A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE -- "Tell us how it works or I won't try it." "What you tell us about how it works... - clarkjohnsen 09:16:59 05/30/06 (1)
- Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse; (nt) - Jim Austin 10:15:59 05/30/06 (0)
- An ordinary Joe Consumer's take on this - rbolaw 14:22:46 05/30/06 (0)
- Re: Ah, proving once again - geoffkait 09:49:28 05/30/06 (2)
- Let me guess ... your "comment" can only be explained with reference to Quantum Electro Dynamics? nt - bjh 09:55:17 05/30/06 (1)
- Actually explained by regnad kcin. nt. - Lynn 18:56:07 05/31/06 (0)
- Just trying to understand. - hexenboden 13:20:22 05/30/06 (0)
- Re: Feynman - geoffkait 16:45:39 05/29/06 (17)
- You're lucky he's dead - Jim Austin 19:06:30 05/29/06 (15)
- Drink! - Charles Hansen 19:11:26 05/29/06 (1)
- Re: Drink! - john curl 00:51:43 05/30/06 (0)
- Re: More to the point - geoffkait 04:57:26 05/30/06 (12)
- Actually - Jim Austin 05:35:15 05/30/06 (11)
- Re: It's all right, I'm only bleeding - geoffkait 07:17:53 05/30/06 (10)
- "Invest in," indeed - Jim Austin 07:27:45 05/30/06 (0)
- By the way, did you write this... - Jim Austin 07:33:08 05/30/06 (7)
- Reminiscent of Dylan drivel. - regmac 07:42:11 05/30/06 (5)
- I got no problem with Dylan... - Jim Austin 07:50:28 05/30/06 (4)
- Drink! - Charles Hansen 07:51:25 05/30/06 (0)
- It's 11 a.m. - Jim Austin 07:54:06 05/30/06 (2)
- Re: It's 11 a.m. - Charles Hansen 09:28:22 05/30/06 (1)
- Re: Actually - geoffkait 09:33:12 05/30/06 (0)
- Reminds me of a scene from a movie... - Jim Austin 07:59:26 05/30/06 (0)
- fergit... - Wellfed 10:54:49 05/31/06 (0)
- unfortunately you chose an irrelevant quote - tunenut 19:17:04 05/29/06 (0)
- Please don't take him seriously... - hexenboden 19:33:48 05/29/06 (0)
- Re: When I was in graduate school... - john curl 21:25:28 05/30/06 (5)
- Allow me to elucidate ... - bjh 22:10:33 05/30/06 (0)
- Re: When I was in graduate school... - john curl 23:24:42 05/30/06 (1)
- the titlle of volume 4 is Quantum Electrodynamics - tunenut 09:10:33 05/31/06 (0)
- Pathetic - Jim Austin 03:26:29 05/31/06 (1)
- Re: Pathetic - john curl 09:13:56 05/31/06 (0)