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In Reply to: Imagination. posted by May Belt on May 28, 2006 at 09:26:31:
"if you are going to write an article simplistically suggesting that so many inexplicable things which have been reported MUST BE because of 'suggestion', the 'placebo effect', 'mood changes', imagination', 'effective marketing', the you should be able to put forward some sort of explanation as to HOW all these effects can 'change the sound'."I think its more logical that the one who makes these outlandish claims should produce objective evidence to support this. Otherwise they are selling an unsubstantiated product to consumers who are shelling out money in good faith with no rational support. At the very least these manufacturers should print a disclaimer saying that there is no scientific evidence that the product works as advertised.
I have listened blind to different transports with a good DAC and though they sound marginally different there is no objective way to tell which is better. The same is true of competently designed DACs. Yet there is a 4x price difference between these units. Clearly something is wrong, some people are taking advantage of the naivete and good faith of consumers who have been indoctrinated to believe that you decide by "listening". As if acoustics, our ears, and our memory were some sort of scientific instrument. Philosophers gave up on this idea centuries ago but it is still alive and kicking in audio.
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Follow Ups
- No, it's the other way around - hexenboden 08:38:21 05/29/06 (23)
- The question that you cause me to consider is why some are not affected by the placebo effect? - Norm 11:26:07 05/29/06 (20)
- "presumably even were the listening done in a double blind circumstance" - bjh 11:41:08 05/29/06 (1)
- LOL, here you have surpassed even yourself !? (nt) - hexenboden 18:28:48 05/29/06 (0)
- very bad definitions iMO - tunenut 12:36:44 05/29/06 (1)
- Your examples are not where the argument lies - Norm 14:49:28 05/29/06 (0)
- Re: The question that you cause me to consider is why some are not affected by the placebo effect? - Analog Scott 13:01:27 05/29/06 (3)
- Wrong root - hexenboden 18:27:17 05/29/06 (2)
- Re: Wrong root - Analog Scott 18:45:19 05/29/06 (1)
- Audio Science - hexenboden 19:26:41 05/29/06 (0)
- The fly in my argument - hexenboden 18:22:40 05/29/06 (10)
- I don't think I state my question clearly enough - Norm 19:58:38 05/29/06 (9)
- Science, cables and the body of knowledge - hexenboden 00:04:20 05/30/06 (8)
- "My advice is to listen to the music and not [let] hobbyists make its careful progress..." - clarkjohnsen 08:57:42 05/30/06 (7)
- Why do you rephrase my posts? - hexenboden 13:15:38 05/30/06 (6)
- It's just his thing, it's what he does. (nt) - Jim Austin 16:31:31 05/30/06 (2)
- And your thing is to rephrase journal articles, changing their results to support your worldview. [nt] - Charles Hansen 19:27:05 05/30/06 (1)
- It's what he does -- and gets paid for! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:33:00 05/31/06 (0)
- To fit on one line, and to make some sense out of them. Now about that word you claim I "added"... - clarkjohnsen 09:31:49 05/31/06 (2)
- Your definition of "research" and other matters - hexenboden 12:43:09 05/31/06 (1)
- Clark often ignores basic logic. - Pat D 18:56:16 05/31/06 (0)
- "I have never seen any science evaluating this [placebo] question." Nor shall you. - clarkjohnsen 08:44:47 05/30/06 (0)
- Re: No, it's the other way around - Soundmind 16:01:05 05/30/06 (1)
- Virginia Slims - hexenboden 23:02:23 05/30/06 (0)