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In Reply to: very bad definitions iMO posted by tunenut on May 29, 2006 at 12:36:44:
Objectivist, and I too hesitate to use this label, typically suggest that people hear a benefit from a new amp or a tweak but it is not "real" to use one of Austin's phrases and that they are merely thinking they better enjoy it. But my question for them is why don't some hear such a benefit?Also were there clear science based designs, why does everyone not prefer these designs?
I don't really consider myself a subjectivist, save for the fact that I think science does not guide us to the best amp or cable, and I have heard benefits from some and not from others. I do NOT believe that I am delusional in thinking that as objectivists suggest. Their notion that unless THEY understand why there would be an improvement, they suspect a scam is just garbage and IMO unscientific to the extreme.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Imagination. - May Belt 09:26:31 05/28/06 (257)
- It's already been explained to you - Analog Scott 09:46:13 05/28/06 (57)
- I think that you need to consider also the effects of your beliefs - Norm 12:09:49 05/28/06 (55)
- The same color stripe demands the same brush. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:01:08 05/28/06 (2)
- A great philosophy if you are interested in stereotyping people instead of dealing with them. nt - Analog Scott 16:08:34 05/28/06 (1)
- Bingo. nt - Rick W 17:43:59 05/31/06 (0)
- Re: I think that you need to consider also the effects of your beliefs - Analog Scott 16:02:21 05/28/06 (6)
- I suspect that you assume that without a scientific explanation that you find plausible, you suspect fraud. Correct? - Norm 20:59:43 05/28/06 (5)
- No. I suspect you are not reading my posts with any care. - Analog Scott 08:21:01 05/29/06 (4)
- I can only conclude that you do not really understand what you say. - Norm 11:41:26 05/29/06 (3)
- Clearly you don't understand what I am saying. - Analog Scott 13:13:13 05/29/06 (2)
- As I said you want to be the judge and jury. Lots of luck. nt - Norm 15:07:37 05/29/06 (1)
- oh, *you* said it, must be true despite what I say about my intentions. nt - Analog Scott 16:33:13 05/29/06 (0)
- A bundle of weak arguments - Jim Austin 16:59:24 05/28/06 (44)
- One very weak response - Norm 20:44:33 05/28/06 (31)
- Re: One very weak response - Jim Austin 04:30:06 05/29/06 (15)
- One very weak response redux - Charles Hansen 05:28:07 05/29/06 (3)
- Re: One very weak response redux - Jim Austin 08:45:51 05/29/06 (2)
- Re: One very weak response redux - Charles Hansen 12:11:01 05/29/06 (1)
- Evidence? - hexenboden 15:18:42 05/31/06 (0)
- Of course, I am speaking for myself, as are you. - Norm 05:55:39 05/29/06 (10)
- Science? - John Atkinson 10:21:44 05/29/06 (9)
- Yes, who needs to please everybody.... - cheap-Jack 08:34:26 06/01/06 (0)
- You will seldom see scientist using such loaded words - Norm 11:47:43 05/29/06 (2)
- I was taught to say "weighted words", but yes -- the ol' appeal to the emotions usually wins the masses. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:20:46 05/30/06 (1)
- Maybe another regional difference nt - Norm 12:06:21 05/30/06 (0)
- "Well argued"? - Charles Hansen 12:25:32 05/29/06 (1)
- You still have that imaginary bridge huh? - bjh 12:40:13 05/29/06 (0)
- More examples - Charles Hansen 15:01:21 05/29/06 (2)
- Gravitons... - real_jj 13:21:34 05/31/06 (0)
- When audio engineers go bad - Jim Austin 16:30:04 05/29/06 (0)
- Are you against consumer protection against scams? - Analog Scott 08:42:09 05/29/06 (13)
- On AA, definitely! From government I want it. nt - Norm 11:34:51 05/29/06 (11)
- That makes no sense - Analog Scott 20:59:26 05/29/06 (10)
- It is just the case that it may only be your opinion - Norm 06:37:11 05/30/06 (9)
- Fraud isn't just a matter of opinion - Analog Scott 08:37:56 05/30/06 (8)
- It would be interesting to learn how this product fared if it is a real example. - Norm 12:04:33 05/30/06 (7)
- It is a real example - Analog Scott 15:19:18 05/30/06 (6)
- Or at least trying to do so. - Norm 16:21:15 05/30/06 (5)
- Well then we agree about fraud. - Analog Scott 19:40:43 05/30/06 (4)
- I would not go that far, but there is some fraud, not as much as you think, however, and not defined as you do. nt - Norm 20:22:46 05/30/06 (3)
- Please, stop with your assumptions about what i think. - Analog Scott 08:19:34 05/31/06 (2)
- Re: "the only example I've run across" - geoffkait 09:24:34 05/31/06 (1)
- That's ridiculous - Analog Scott 09:45:56 05/31/06 (0)
- Let me amend that to exclude the W. Bush administration. nt - Norm 11:36:06 05/29/06 (0)
- "You seem to think you are the scam police." No "seem" about it! - clarkjohnsen 09:23:44 05/30/06 (0)
- A bundle of weak arguments redux - Charles Hansen 21:06:08 05/28/06 (1)
- Re: A bundle of weak arguments redux - Jim Austin 04:10:39 05/29/06 (0)
- Re: A bundle of weak arguments - mls-stl 07:17:01 05/29/06 (0)
- Why ???? - hexenboden 08:43:37 05/29/06 (8)
- Re: Why ???? - Jim Austin 08:52:58 05/29/06 (5)
- Conversion - hexenboden 09:16:42 05/29/06 (4)
- Skepticism about what science can tell us? - Norm 11:32:58 05/29/06 (1)
- When did I suggest that ??? (nt) - hexenboden 19:56:26 05/29/06 (0)
- Re: Conversion - Jim Austin 12:25:39 05/29/06 (1)
- Indeed (nt) - hexenboden 19:55:38 05/29/06 (0)
- Re: Why ???? - bjh 11:23:46 05/29/06 (1)
- Babble, babble, LOL (nt) - hexenboden 19:36:05 05/29/06 (0)
- Re: It's already been explained to you - mls-stl 07:06:57 05/29/06 (0)
- Jeez, over & over, on & on. Are you related to George Louis? nt - Rick W 12:35:11 05/28/06 (0)
- I think you are missing... - Jim Austin 16:49:46 05/28/06 (0)
- Re: Imagination. - Charles Hansen 20:06:14 05/28/06 (100)
- Mr. Hansen while there are things that to you "made no sense whatsoever" you should not be so presumptuous - bjh 09:11:41 05/29/06 (96)
- When I was in graduate school... - Jim Austin 12:52:58 05/29/06 (95)
- It is your belief that what you did with the Feynmann diagrams has anything to do with audio that infuriates others. - Norm 15:15:25 05/29/06 (69)
- Norm, I think you're missing the point. - Rick W 16:00:30 05/29/06 (68)
- Re: Norm, I think you're missing the point. - Jim Austin 16:07:01 05/29/06 (0)
- You are right. I just am offended by chips for chumps - Norm 16:39:17 05/29/06 (66)
- I did try the silly things and I can't think of a better title. - Dave Pogue 16:45:12 05/29/06 (0)
- Your anger is misplaced. - bjh 18:13:30 05/29/06 (64)
- Almost agree (surprise!) - Charles Hansen 19:01:13 05/29/06 (59)
- Re: Almost agree (surprise!) - John Atkinson 19:26:00 05/29/06 (48)
- Pls cancel my subscrtiption!!! - hexenboden 19:39:27 05/29/06 (0)
- I largely agree with Charles, and I think you are trying to draw the line for him and others - Norm 20:23:51 05/29/06 (1)
- "So was the X ray." And look at all the, ah, scientists who derided the concept. Just like anaesthesia. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:09:41 05/30/06 (0)
- Try the SPECTRA Dynamics Foculpods ... - bjh 20:59:27 05/29/06 (0)
- Wull, yahbut - Charles Hansen 04:45:52 05/30/06 (2)
- Stop making sense! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:10:24 05/30/06 (1)
- Am an attendant lord, one that will do (nt) - Jim Austin 10:11:53 05/30/06 (0)
- A matter of trust? - Charles Hansen 07:38:39 05/30/06 (10)
- "Steve Harris, Ken Kessler, John Curl, and Bobby Palkovic." Pish tish! Mere dabblers! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:13:22 05/30/06 (9)
- Re: "Steve Harris, Ken Kessler, John Curl, and Bobby Palkovic." Pish tish! Mere dabblers! nt - Charles Hansen 09:22:43 05/30/06 (7)
- Shows what I get for... - clarkjohnsen 09:36:35 05/30/06 (6)
- Yeah, Harvard is famous for its music appreciation courses. GMAB. nt - Rick W 09:49:11 05/30/06 (4)
- Actually . . . it is. nt - markrohr 08:37:45 05/31/06 (3)
- Is, and was since the 1800s, sporting the country's oldest continuing performing orchestra. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:45:11 05/31/06 (0)
- Plus -- that coarse and crass poster once again demonstrates his ignorance and presumption. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:48:04 05/31/06 (1)
- I gotta eat crow. - Rick W 19:10:58 05/31/06 (0)
- Shows that attempting to educate a block head is as futile as using a brick to absorb a spill? nt - bjh 10:09:38 05/30/06 (0)
- No, I'm not Prince Hamlet! (nt) - Jim Austin 10:11:26 05/30/06 (0)
- Words of wisdom from the past? - Charles Hansen 07:49:09 05/30/06 (29)
- Are you confused Mr. Hansen? - bjh 09:04:05 05/30/06 (2)
- Now we know why you and I rarely agree - Charles Hansen 09:21:30 05/30/06 (1)
- Not terribly bright are you? ... a quality concomitant with the need to be always right. nt - bjh 10:24:38 05/30/06 (0)
- Re: Words of wisdom from the past? - May Belt 10:20:50 05/30/06 (4)
- Re: Words of wisdom from the past? - bjh 13:56:27 05/31/06 (2)
- Re: Words of wisdom from the past? - May Belt 14:47:43 05/31/06 (1)
- Thank you. Quite a qualification I must say! - bjh 19:45:55 05/31/06 (0)
- "They think people should know"? But PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO KNOW! - clarkjohnsen 10:38:49 05/31/06 (0)
- Re: Words of wisdom from the past? - John Atkinson 11:15:33 05/30/06 (20)
- Wull, yahbut - Charles Hansen 12:04:36 05/30/06 (19)
- Aaah... - John Atkinson 14:19:59 05/30/06 (18)
- So I suppose that next Stereophile will start publishing Arny Krueger? - Charles Hansen 16:07:23 05/30/06 (3)
- Re: So I suppose that next Stereophile will start publishing Arny Krueger? - John Atkinson 22:25:15 05/31/06 (0)
- I think he'd have to learn to write first. nt - Analog Scott 16:25:04 05/30/06 (1)
- Actually, there is a debate between AK and JA on the Stereophile site. - Pat D 07:16:31 06/01/06 (0)
- As an editor I will agree with John - David W. Robinson 20:15:52 05/30/06 (6)
- Exactly Right - John Atkinson 22:22:09 05/31/06 (1)
- Please note... - Jim Austin 09:28:30 06/01/06 (0)
- As always, the devil is in the details - Charles Hansen 21:02:27 05/30/06 (3)
- Actually, the devil can be many places... - David W. Robinson 23:51:38 05/30/06 (2)
- You would have a different view if you read the article in question. - Charles Hansen 05:44:44 05/31/06 (1)
- One could further add that Austin *ceremoniously* trashed it. - clarkjohnsen 10:30:08 05/31/06 (0)
- The central fact remains... - Jim Austin 04:46:08 05/31/06 (6)
- Re: The central fact remains... - john curl 21:40:16 05/31/06 (1)
- Here's the thread I was referring to over the 'phone. - clarkjohnsen 07:39:37 06/05/06 (0)
- More bullshit appealing to emotions, without a shred of evidence. - Charles Hansen 05:49:22 05/31/06 (1)
- Tune in next week when we'll witness our hero, ... - bjh 07:10:25 05/31/06 (0)
- I must say ... - bjh 08:09:14 05/31/06 (0)
- "...and Charles Hansen gets richer." Now *that* is genuinely crude... and too late to delete! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:34:52 05/31/06 (0)
- Well, taking a page from the Hansen Method - How to Respond to a Conciliatory Entreaty ... - bjh 20:28:37 05/29/06 (6)
- You forgot "dink"! (nt) - Jim Austin 03:04:44 05/30/06 (1)
- Drink! - Charles Hansen 04:51:01 05/30/06 (0)
- Even though I was pretty sure what the content of this post would be like... - andy_c 09:19:06 05/30/06 (3)
- Re: Even though I was pretty sure what the content of this post would be like... - Charles Hansen 09:30:08 05/30/06 (2)
- Okay, I will try to look up info... - andy_c 18:47:01 05/30/06 (1)
- Re: Okay, I will try to look up info... - Charles Hansen 19:07:07 05/30/06 (0)
- A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE -- "Tell us how it works or I won't try it." "What you tell us about how it works... - clarkjohnsen 09:16:59 05/30/06 (1)
- Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse; (nt) - Jim Austin 10:15:59 05/30/06 (0)
- An ordinary Joe Consumer's take on this - rbolaw 14:22:46 05/30/06 (0)
- Re: Ah, proving once again - geoffkait 09:49:28 05/30/06 (2)
- Let me guess ... your "comment" can only be explained with reference to Quantum Electro Dynamics? nt - bjh 09:55:17 05/30/06 (1)
- Actually explained by regnad kcin. nt. - Lynn 18:56:07 05/31/06 (0)
- Just trying to understand. - hexenboden 13:20:22 05/30/06 (0)
- Re: Feynman - geoffkait 16:45:39 05/29/06 (17)
- You're lucky he's dead - Jim Austin 19:06:30 05/29/06 (15)
- Drink! - Charles Hansen 19:11:26 05/29/06 (1)
- Re: Drink! - john curl 00:51:43 05/30/06 (0)
- Re: More to the point - geoffkait 04:57:26 05/30/06 (12)
- Actually - Jim Austin 05:35:15 05/30/06 (11)
- Re: It's all right, I'm only bleeding - geoffkait 07:17:53 05/30/06 (10)
- "Invest in," indeed - Jim Austin 07:27:45 05/30/06 (0)
- By the way, did you write this... - Jim Austin 07:33:08 05/30/06 (7)
- Reminiscent of Dylan drivel. - regmac 07:42:11 05/30/06 (5)
- I got no problem with Dylan... - Jim Austin 07:50:28 05/30/06 (4)
- Drink! - Charles Hansen 07:51:25 05/30/06 (0)
- It's 11 a.m. - Jim Austin 07:54:06 05/30/06 (2)
- Re: It's 11 a.m. - Charles Hansen 09:28:22 05/30/06 (1)
- Re: Actually - geoffkait 09:33:12 05/30/06 (0)
- Reminds me of a scene from a movie... - Jim Austin 07:59:26 05/30/06 (0)
- fergit... - Wellfed 10:54:49 05/31/06 (0)
- unfortunately you chose an irrelevant quote - tunenut 19:17:04 05/29/06 (0)
- Please don't take him seriously... - hexenboden 19:33:48 05/29/06 (0)
- Re: When I was in graduate school... - john curl 21:25:28 05/30/06 (5)
- Allow me to elucidate ... - bjh 22:10:33 05/30/06 (0)
- Re: When I was in graduate school... - john curl 23:24:42 05/30/06 (1)
- the titlle of volume 4 is Quantum Electrodynamics - tunenut 09:10:33 05/31/06 (0)
- Pathetic - Jim Austin 03:26:29 05/31/06 (1)
- Re: Pathetic - john curl 09:13:56 05/31/06 (0)
- Tried Snickers yet? - Rick W 11:21:30 05/29/06 (0)
- You and I seem to share the privilege of being sniped at by the two 'holes below. 'Grats! - clarkjohnsen 09:00:39 05/30/06 (1)
- LOL. "When a man behaves rudely it's a sure sign he knows deep down inside that he's lost. - Rick W 10:20:10 05/30/06 (0)
- No, it's the other way around - hexenboden 08:38:21 05/29/06 (23)
- The question that you cause me to consider is why some are not affected by the placebo effect? - Norm 11:26:07 05/29/06 (20)
- "presumably even were the listening done in a double blind circumstance" - bjh 11:41:08 05/29/06 (1)
- LOL, here you have surpassed even yourself !? (nt) - hexenboden 18:28:48 05/29/06 (0)
- very bad definitions iMO - tunenut 12:36:44 05/29/06 (1)
- Your examples are not where the argument lies - Norm 14:49:28 05/29/06 (0)
- Re: The question that you cause me to consider is why some are not affected by the placebo effect? - Analog Scott 13:01:27 05/29/06 (3)
- Wrong root - hexenboden 18:27:17 05/29/06 (2)
- Re: Wrong root - Analog Scott 18:45:19 05/29/06 (1)
- Audio Science - hexenboden 19:26:41 05/29/06 (0)
- The fly in my argument - hexenboden 18:22:40 05/29/06 (10)
- I don't think I state my question clearly enough - Norm 19:58:38 05/29/06 (9)
- Science, cables and the body of knowledge - hexenboden 00:04:20 05/30/06 (8)
- "My advice is to listen to the music and not [let] hobbyists make its careful progress..." - clarkjohnsen 08:57:42 05/30/06 (7)
- Why do you rephrase my posts? - hexenboden 13:15:38 05/30/06 (6)
- It's just his thing, it's what he does. (nt) - Jim Austin 16:31:31 05/30/06 (2)
- And your thing is to rephrase journal articles, changing their results to support your worldview. [nt] - Charles Hansen 19:27:05 05/30/06 (1)
- It's what he does -- and gets paid for! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:33:00 05/31/06 (0)
- To fit on one line, and to make some sense out of them. Now about that word you claim I "added"... - clarkjohnsen 09:31:49 05/31/06 (2)
- Your definition of "research" and other matters - hexenboden 12:43:09 05/31/06 (1)
- Clark often ignores basic logic. - Pat D 18:56:16 05/31/06 (0)
- "I have never seen any science evaluating this [placebo] question." Nor shall you. - clarkjohnsen 08:44:47 05/30/06 (0)
- Re: No, it's the other way around - Soundmind 16:01:05 05/30/06 (1)
- Virginia Slims - hexenboden 23:02:23 05/30/06 (0)
- the key phrase - tunenut 09:30:43 05/29/06 (1)
- Maybe she uses morphic messages! - KlausR. 02:08:02 05/30/06 (0)
- You want to know if a tweak works ? - Lambda 14:02:18 05/29/06 (0)
- Denial - Feanor 17:21:49 05/29/06 (0)
- The sad fact about audio is how often audiophiles imagine hearing differences - Richard BassNut Greene 10:37:16 05/30/06 (41)
- Thanks! I was needing my DBT Semon fix something awful ... another day and I'd have been deep into the DBT DTs. nt - bjh 11:06:32 05/30/06 (4)
- I wouldn't touch that post with a ten-foot pole , although ... - Richard BassNut Greene 08:12:05 06/01/06 (0)
- He meant "sermon" of course! Whew! - Bruce Kendall 12:52:42 05/30/06 (1)
- I don't know.... - rditmars 13:55:23 05/30/06 (0)
- What? (nt) - hexenboden 14:42:40 05/30/06 (0)
- The sad fact about audio is how often audiophiles imagine they hear no differences - Norm 11:56:03 05/30/06 (2)
- It could also be drugs...wink (nt) - hexenboden 14:47:27 05/30/06 (0)
- Differences are imagined, small SPL differences, small channel balance differences, or real differences - Richard BassNut Greene 08:57:06 05/31/06 (0)
- Re: The sad fact about audio is how often audiophiles imagine hearing differences - Awe-d-o-file 14:20:28 05/30/06 (9)
- I am so tired of the following fallacious argument... - hexenboden 14:46:10 05/30/06 (7)
- Re: I am so tired of the following fallacious argument... - Awe-d-o-file 16:47:23 05/30/06 (6)
- Re: I am so tired of the following fallacious argument... - hexenboden 18:21:41 05/30/06 (5)
- Re: I am so tired of the following fallacious argument... - Awe-d-o-file 18:40:00 05/30/06 (4)
- Hard time understanding - hexenboden 22:44:13 05/30/06 (1)
- Re: Hard time understanding - Awe-d-o-file 14:44:47 06/01/06 (0)
- "Take something that really matters like politics or the AIDS crisis." Now *that's* funny! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:03:31 05/31/06 (1)
- Re: "Take something that really matters like politics or the AIDS crisis." Now *that's* funny! nt -how so ? - Awe-d-o-file 14:49:34 06/01/06 (0)
- "If you can't hear the difference you have no business telling people what they should or should not think." YES! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:05:14 05/31/06 (0)
- You aren't imagining hearing a difference when... - Soundmind 14:29:46 05/30/06 (3)
- Welcome back - hexenboden 14:50:03 05/30/06 (0)
- From what seats in Symphony Hall - unclestu52 20:56:07 05/30/06 (1)
- Any seat...in any hall - Soundmind 03:12:16 05/31/06 (0)
- Re: The sad fact about audio is how often audiophiles imagine hearing differences - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 16:14:58 05/30/06 (10)
- Here's a suggestion - Soundmind 17:38:24 05/30/06 (2)
- Solid idea - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 19:10:07 05/30/06 (1)
- Small differences in FR in real world conditions, not bench tests, can make significant audible differences - Soundmind 04:09:07 05/31/06 (0)
- Fantasia - hexenboden 18:27:10 05/30/06 (6)
- Or reality.......... - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 19:05:15 05/30/06 (5)
- Not necessarily clipping - hexenboden 22:27:34 05/30/06 (4)
- It's amazing to watch you jump to conclusions....... - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 05:36:20 05/31/06 (3)
- You are confusing a lot of things about amplifiers - hexenboden 08:31:01 05/31/06 (2)
- Re: You are confusing a lot of things about amplifiers - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 10:40:26 05/31/06 (1)
- You are confusing a lot of things about amplifiers - hexenboden 12:03:36 05/31/06 (0)
- Or the sadness of living life with the mantra that only scientifically proven differences can be experienced-NT - lancelot 19:21:13 05/30/06 (2)
- Happiness is learning how well you hear & targeting audio spending where it makes an audible difference to you - Richard BassNut Greene 08:22:06 05/31/06 (1)
- Rational approach BUT - lancelot 10:28:46 05/31/06 (0)
- irnoically it's the militant objectivists that live in denial. - Analog Scott 08:15:12 05/31/06 (3)
- Objective audiophiles ONLY listen to the music because nothing else is needed to enjoy music or compare components - Richard BassNut Greene 08:37:25 05/31/06 (2)
- Dude catch a clue. Blind doesn't mean literally blind. It means you don't know what's playing. nt. - Analog Scott 09:41:19 05/31/06 (1)
- Better to be silent and be thought a fool ... then to post here and remove all doubt ... - Richard BassNut Greene 08:30:45 06/01/06 (0)
- Re: The sad fact about audio is how often audiophiles imagine hearing differences - thetubeguy1954 09:08:11 05/31/06 (0)
- Re: Imagination is the audio salesman's principle tool whether it's yourself or a showroom vulture. * - mr grits 15:49:26 05/30/06 (4)
- Maybe where you shop....... - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 16:21:36 05/30/06 (3)
- What do you do to prevent imagination from being a factor - Analog Scott 17:05:30 05/30/06 (2)
- I use experience - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 18:39:49 05/30/06 (1)
- I hope Julian Hisch isn't really a role model - Analog Scott 08:12:45 05/31/06 (0)
- You hear what you hear - Frihed89 01:04:57 05/31/06 (19)
- How do you know what you hear? - Soundmind 03:56:40 05/31/06 (18)
- The usual cracks about the irrationality of the disbelievers. Nothing new here. - Norm 06:00:09 05/31/06 (14)
- "Nothing new here." Science is still science...ad hype is still ad hype...religion is still "faith" nt - Soundmind 06:31:52 05/31/06 (12)
- Science? Where's the science in all this? - Analog Scott 08:10:00 05/31/06 (0)
- The only faith that scientists subscribe to is the scientific method. - Norm 08:30:54 05/31/06 (10)
- Most scientists can enjoy a ine meal without scientifically valid proof - Analog Scott 08:35:13 05/31/06 (7)
- Re: You must not have heard of - geoffkait 08:54:45 05/31/06 (6)
- Re: You must not have heard of - Analog Scott 09:37:12 05/31/06 (5)
- Re: Agree, but - geoffkait 10:00:16 05/31/06 (1)
- you mean comparing component s and tweaks is not about the enjoyment of music? - Analog Scott 10:07:02 05/31/06 (0)
- Agreed, life is too short. [nt] - Wellfed 10:41:15 05/31/06 (0)
- What? I entirely agree with you!! - Norm 12:37:11 05/31/06 (1)
- My opinions have not changed. nt - Analog Scott 18:58:18 05/31/06 (0)
- surely you know you've gone overboard - tunenut 09:23:19 05/31/06 (1)
- Perhaps I should have said the scientific method requires one faith, in it. I hardly believe I have gone overboard. - Norm 12:29:14 05/31/06 (0)
- Norm, do you wear glasses? - Rick W 10:42:02 05/31/06 (0)
- Is DBTing how you compare gear for your system? - Kloss 06:53:10 05/31/06 (0)
- You may like testing equipment. I like sitting down and listening to music with it. - Analog Scott 08:07:44 05/31/06 (0)
- Re: How do you know what you hear? - thetubeguy1954 08:50:35 05/31/06 (0)
Follow Ups
- Your examples are not where the argument lies - Norm 14:49:28 05/29/06 (0)
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