Answer: Because they're PSEUDO-skeptics. And they have usurped a useful term. - clarkjohnsen

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Topic - Help!!! I'm confused now... do cables really sound different?!? - Kuja 08:32:21 04/02/06 (432)

Re: Help!!! I'm confused now... do cables really sound different?!? - chris_w 16:07:26 05/02/06 (0)

Re: Help!!! I'm confused now... do cables really sound different?!? - middleground 15:49:16 04/29/06 (0)

Beats me. - Steve Eddy 20:57:11 04/22/06 (1)

It's as though a coincidental mandated truce abruptly ended. (nt) - soulfood 09:23:13 04/24/06 (0)

Your Observation Also Reveals.... - Todd Krieger 21:52:41 04/12/06 (107)

Naysayers are just silly! Anyway, *our* naysayers. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:55:20 04/13/06 (106)

I don't know about "silly" but... - kerr 12:26:35 04/13/06 (105)

That's very wrong... - real_jj 14:06:39 04/18/06 (67)

Isn't it essentially implied... - Wellfed 15:46:09 04/26/06 (2)

Re: Isn't it essentially implied... - soulfood 08:42:58 04/28/06 (1)

Your interpretation make more sense than mine... - Wellfed 08:46:58 04/28/06 (0)

You're half correct - kerr 05:14:11 04/19/06 (0)

"... don't argue that it 'sounds better'. Just say you like it." ... - bjh 22:42:13 04/18/06 (62)

But they don't htink in "black and white"...right...(nt) - mkuller 09:36:39 04/19/06 (61)

Right! Just play by the rules and all is well! LOL (nt) - kerr 10:28:19 04/19/06 (60)

Typical quacking, I see. - real_jj 20:27:26 04/19/06 (59)

This is an audio hobbyist newsgroup... - mkuller 16:33:45 04/20/06 (36)

This is the Propellor Head Forum - real_jj 14:49:39 04/21/06 (35)

No, we just want to correct... - mkuller 16:01:19 04/21/06 (34)

You have it all wrong and need to learn to read. - Tre' 08:34:30 04/22/06 (33)

Check it out... - mkuller 10:50:28 04/22/06 (32)

Really now? - real_jj 17:22:31 04/22/06 (20)

Stalking me again? - mkuller 12:39:14 04/23/06 (19)

You a man or a parrot? - real_jj 00:46:01 04/24/06 (18)

Let's take a look at what you represent... - mkuller 11:32:00 04/25/06 (17)

Re: Let's take a look at what you represent... - Rod M 19:12:53 04/27/06 (9)

Dialog? - mkuller 11:31:33 04/28/06 (4)

Sony Walkman - real_jj 15:09:05 04/28/06 (3)

High fidelity... - mkuller 19:22:23 04/28/06 (2)

You made the claim - real_jj 21:50:14 04/28/06 (1)

Another attemp at dialog failed by arrogance and stubbornness... (nt) - mkuller 12:04:16 04/30/06 (1)

I don't know - bjh 21:09:23 04/27/06 (3)

Come on, now - real_jj 23:04:53 04/27/06 (2)

"How dare you castigate me for asking for what I deserve?" - bjh 07:39:27 04/28/06 (1)

No, that was just a question - real_jj 15:07:43 04/28/06 (0)

That's a pretty harsh assessment Mike... - Wellfed 16:23:55 04/26/06 (5)

Found an industrial strength Intelligent Chip to patch up that MP3 sound? - Tom Dawson 13:58:00 05/01/06 (1)

No, but then again I haven't tried to either... - Wellfed 14:52:25 05/01/06 (0)

Not really... - mkuller 10:14:10 04/27/06 (2)

Your deliberately offensive error was - real_jj 12:47:00 04/29/06 (1)

Good one, jj. I hadn't read that one. (nt) - Pat D 13:33:54 04/29/06 (0)

Once again, mkuller attempts to muddy the waters - real_jj 12:46:25 04/25/06 (0)

Re: Check it out... - Tre' 13:16:11 04/22/06 (10)

DBTs... - mkuller 12:34:26 04/23/06 (9)

You still havenâ€™t explained why DBTs canâ€™t work for listening - Caymus 13:42:20 04/23/06 (8)

Are you interested in learning or just arguing? - mkuller 15:01:35 04/23/06 (7)

Just as I suspected - YOU don't really know - Caymus 15:58:42 04/23/06 (6)

It appears to be the other way around to me... - Wellfed 15:34:10 04/26/06 (0)

Caymus - KlausR. 09:07:44 04/24/06 (0)

If mkuller essentially agrees with the substance of the - bjh 17:16:58 04/23/06 (3)

Hey, did I ask "Can BJH tell us what he thinks he knows about mkmullerâ€™s views"? - Caymus 18:37:11 04/23/06 (2)

It's a simple issue of bullying... - real_jj 12:52:49 04/24/06 (0)

Well, should mkmuller pose to you the same question I put to you, - bjh 20:39:10 04/23/06 (0)

You missed a quack or two - kerr 04:43:23 04/20/06 (21)

"Why am I so obliged?" Because you've been told so. Now get with the program or jj will pay no more attention to you. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:26:42 04/20/06 (18)

Is that a promise? :) - kerr 13:19:51 04/20/06 (17)

He just wants to be the center of attention... - mkuller 16:34:52 04/20/06 (16)

Again, your relentless vilification - real_jj 14:47:57 04/21/06 (15)

DBTs... - mkuller 16:04:17 04/21/06 (14)

Let's see, scientifically controlled DBTs of codecs... - KlausR. 07:51:16 04/22/06 (13)

Scientifically controlled DBTs of codecs... - mkuller 10:38:13 04/22/06 (4)

Re: Scientifically controlled DBTs of codecs... - KlausR. 22:38:56 04/22/06 (3)

Of the vast number - bjh 07:32:11 04/23/06 (2)

Grow up, son, become mature, then we'll talk (nt) - KlausR. 07:43:46 04/23/06 (1)

I find your rethorical silliness, you *pretending* to have a clue, more entertaining that this new overt form. nt - bjh 07:50:06 04/23/06 (0)

I can only assume that since you admission - bjh 08:28:15 04/22/06 (7)

Re: I can only assume that since you admission - Tre' 08:46:27 04/22/06 (6)

If I were to make an anology of how badly you missed the point with - bjh 09:13:01 04/22/06 (5)

Re: If I were to make an anology of how badly you missed the point with - Tre' 13:09:36 04/22/06 (4)

As you - bjh 13:55:25 04/22/06 (3)

As you - Tre' 17:10:19 04/22/06 (2)

Re: As you - bjh 19:38:58 04/22/06 (1)

Re: As you - Tre' 08:44:19 04/23/06 (0)

Well ... - bjh 07:46:28 04/20/06 (1)

Re: Well ... - kerr 11:36:45 04/20/06 (0)

Great line from Firefly - dado4 16:47:02 04/13/06 (1)

'Twas a fine, fine show. Adam Baldwin's was my favorite character. nt - clarkjohnsen 06:07:11 04/14/06 (0)

The replies below show mostly bipolar "yea-sayer" thinking - Caymus 16:34:06 04/13/06 (34)

Re: The replies below show mostly bipolar "yea-sayer" thinking - Todd Krieger 21:37:30 04/20/06 (0)

Dogmatism... - mkuller 11:21:16 04/14/06 (11)

Indeed, you are right... - real_jj 14:08:16 04/18/06 (10)

Re: Indeed, you are right... - Todd Krieger 21:49:46 04/20/06 (7)

This is the Propellor Head Forum - real_jj 14:51:04 04/21/06 (6)

I think the reality of the matter is... - Wellfed 17:00:11 04/26/06 (4)

Delusion isn't necessary... - real_jj 15:25:54 04/27/06 (3)

Squatter rights at PHP aside, when you say... - soulfood 09:13:01 04/28/06 (1)

Err. - real_jj 15:11:37 04/28/06 (0)

Give Prop Head back to the Prop Heads... - Wellfed 18:23:58 04/27/06 (0)

Oops.... Sorry!!! - Todd Krieger 16:26:26 04/22/06 (0)

Least they don't babble on endlessly about some - bjh 20:47:16 04/18/06 (0)

Not...the "DBT naysayers"... - mkuller 14:44:26 04/18/06 (0)

What dado4 said... - kerr 05:06:05 04/14/06 (1)

"All this I do for you. Why? Who ARE you?" Indeed, indeed. - clarkjohnsen 06:21:35 04/14/06 (0)

tis a fools errand - dado4 16:51:30 04/13/06 (18)

We question each other to ultimately learn what makes better audio - Caymus 16:21:19 04/15/06 (11)

Re: We question each other to ultimately learn what makes better audio - dado4 01:21:04 04/17/06 (9)

Propagating fantasy listening experiences is probably not healthy - Caymus 12:19:18 04/17/06 (8)

Re: Propagating fantasy listening experiences is probably not healthy - dado4 13:52:14 04/17/06 (7)

Actually, we do have ways of separating the external and internal - real_jj 13:50:41 04/20/06 (6)

Nope - dado4 22:35:48 04/20/06 (5)

I suggest that you study the field before you speak again. - real_jj 14:56:32 04/21/06 (4)

No insult here - dado4 17:55:47 04/21/06 (3)

Sorry, wrong... - real_jj 12:49:55 04/24/06 (2)

Re: Sorry, wrong... - dado4 14:21:56 04/25/06 (1)

Again, wrong - real_jj 23:51:04 04/25/06 (0)

A noble, respectable cause indeed! - kerr 11:49:57 04/16/06 (0)

"A sense of self righteousness" (an aggressively high-handed one at that) pretty well explains the phenomenon. nt - clarkjohnsen 06:09:33 04/14/06 (5)

Indeed it does... - real_jj 14:11:54 04/18/06 (4)

Re: Indeed it does... - kerr 09:24:00 04/19/06 (2)

"Required? By whom? I don't require it." Nor do I! Nor any reasonable man. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:22:04 04/20/06 (1)

And you're the "reasonable man" here? - real_jj 13:51:40 04/20/06 (1)

My explanation is perfectly illustrated! Thank you. nt - clarkjohnsen 14:16:25 04/18/06 (0)

You must first BELIEVE in cable differences in order to hear them - Caymus 14:43:50 04/10/06 (51)

You must believe in anything subtle to hear the truth - Patrick82 17:26:27 04/14/06 (13)

Aczel believed, but the differences weren't audible - Atexanathome 20:01:52 04/20/06 (10)

Warm-up - Patrick82 18:09:27 04/21/06 (0)

One person's "epiphany", another's "biggest mistake". - bjh 10:53:37 04/21/06 (7)

Conclusion doesn't follow. - Pat D 17:47:19 04/21/06 (6)

p.s. Fortuitously a recent John Atkinson editorial ... - bjh 09:46:53 04/22/06 (4)

Already read it. - Pat D 12:19:41 04/22/06 (3)

Your gurus are people who parrot your preconcieved notions, simple and sweet, Black and White, Perfect. Period. LOL nt - bjh 12:51:41 04/22/06 (2)

Nonsense! My ideas are post-conceived!!!!! - Pat D 19:13:35 04/22/06 (1)

Re: Nonsense! My ideas are post-conceived!!!!! - bjh 19:48:02 04/22/06 (0)

Pat don't rely upon your bias for everything ... *read* the quote carefully. No wait ... - bjh 19:58:27 04/21/06 (0)

two sided coin - dado4 08:40:18 04/21/06 (0)

Yes, pratice (our ears) makes perfect (hearing). (nt) - cheap-Jack 08:23:16 04/18/06 (0)

now I know why I suck at pool.... - dado4 09:01:40 04/17/06 (0)

How about some nice multistrand copperweld ICs with well oxidized surfaces? - Tom Dawson 10:56:31 04/12/06 (4)

"Copperweld" rings a bell to me. But.. - cheap-Jack 12:58:43 04/12/06 (3)

Re: "Copperweld" rings a bell to me. But.. - Tom Dawson 13:25:08 04/12/06 (2)

Yes, it is a tradename. - cheap-Jack 13:52:09 04/12/06 (1)

Hey, I've got some of those! - Atexanathome 17:33:48 04/26/06 (0)

There are basically - unclestu52 21:21:08 04/11/06 (5)

Yes, L.C. R are always in an AC circuit. - cheap-Jack 08:05:39 04/12/06 (4)

Re: Yes, L.C. R are always in an AC circuit. - unclestu52 17:42:04 04/13/06 (1)

Yes, you hit the bull's-eye. - cheap-Jack 09:15:42 04/17/06 (0)

Then we have the difference between static and dynamic modeling. The former, while not simple... - clarkjohnsen 08:50:18 04/12/06 (1)

Re: Then we have the difference between static and dynamic modeling. The former, while not simple... - Dan Banquer 16:38:10 04/12/06 (0)

So you don't want to hear the difference 'cause you never "believe" it. - cheap-Jack 11:54:11 04/11/06 (0)

Cable claims - dado4 20:28:47 04/10/06 (0)

Irony - dado4 15:41:39 04/10/06 (22)

Answer: Because they're PSEUDO-skeptics. And they have usurped a useful term. - clarkjohnsen 15:49:56 04/10/06 (21)

After 20 years and not a single audiophile has been able to prove their fantastic claim... - Caymus 18:27:34 04/10/06 (9)

X-ray vision can only be proven in a double blind test (NT) - tunenut 13:33:48 04/12/06 (0)

May I suggest you read more than talk empty ???? (long) - cheap-Jack 09:36:32 04/12/06 (5)

This is what I'm on about..... - dado4 07:32:18 04/13/06 (4)

Give me a break, please. - cheap-Jack 15:51:14 04/13/06 (3)

Hey, JACK, do the math - real_jj 21:15:04 04/24/06 (1)

What to moles have to do with it?? :-) - jneutron 09:16:04 04/25/06 (0)

no contradiction - dado4 16:13:23 04/13/06 (0)

Because no one wants to bother with you. nt - Norm 20:36:55 04/10/06 (1)

No kidding! nt - clarkjohnsen 07:58:19 04/11/06 (0)

Hohum. Still doesn't remove the burden of proof from those who make claims of audible differences. - Pat D 17:55:18 04/10/06 (10)

Why is there a burden of proof ? nt - Norm 20:38:37 04/10/06 (9)

Re: Why is there a burden of proof ? nt - Pat D 13:10:20 04/17/06 (2)

And one week later - bjh 05:34:26 04/19/06 (1)

Re: And one week later - Pat D 13:50:54 04/20/06 (0)

Because he says so -- the hauteur and arrogance are supposed to intimidate us lesser beings. nt - clarkjohnsen 07:55:47 04/11/06 (2)

You are not a lesser being. You are a PHYSICIST HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! - andy_c 22:00:37 04/17/06 (0)

Did you actually read your own link? (nt) - Pat D 12:22:19 04/11/06 (0)

I'd like to see proof - bjh 21:47:34 04/10/06 (2)

Would that be relevant to audio? (nt) - Pat D 06:00:50 04/11/06 (1)

No sillier than your requiring proof for opinions from an audio hobbyist group...(nt) - mkuller 11:05:31 04/21/06 (0)

Ah, - bjh 14:59:42 04/10/06 (0)

You read that one, now read this one VERY carefully - dado4 12:54:36 04/10/06 (14)

Re: You read that one, now read this one VERY carefully - real_jj 14:14:53 04/18/06 (0)

Not joining this discussion exactly... - Jim Austin 16:26:41 04/10/06 (7)

Of course? [nt] - Wellfed 23:56:18 04/10/06 (4)

yes - tunenut 09:43:36 04/12/06 (3)

Why is that likely?... - Wellfed 15:52:41 04/12/06 (2)

Re: Why is that likely?... - tunenut 17:19:42 04/12/06 (1)

Very true... - Wellfed 23:37:11 04/12/06 (0)

try to tell a positivist that - dado4 16:56:38 04/10/06 (1)

Re: try to tell a positivist that - Jim Austin 17:06:01 04/10/06 (0)

Exactly. I don't see what all the fuss is about. Anyway, who ARE these people... - clarkjohnsen 14:03:43 04/10/06 (2)

Total misunderstanding. - Pat D 21:46:43 04/13/06 (0)

They're the 'naysayers'... - mkuller 14:50:36 04/10/06 (0)

"IF" & only if you can't hear the difference, ... - cheap-Jack 13:24:23 04/10/06 (1)

Hey Wellfed, here's another one!!! (nt) - Pat D 17:56:58 04/10/06 (0)

Read the following sentence very carefully! - KlausR. 00:19:02 04/07/06 (101)

It would be useful to hear from Ray Kimber in this thread. nt - Inmate51 09:10:10 04/10/06 (1)

Re: It would be useful to hear from Ray Kimber in this thread. nt - unclestu52 13:24:52 04/10/06 (0)

Re: Read the following sentence very carefully! - ernstr@xs4all.nl 04:32:02 04/08/06 (11)

Re: Read the following sentence very carefully! - theaudiohobby 00:11:41 04/10/06 (2)

I agree & disagree. (long) - cheap-Jack 08:23:07 04/10/06 (0)

Yes well as you're - bjh 04:32:23 04/10/06 (0)

Are you sure????? (long) - cheap-Jack 19:00:54 04/08/06 (3)

Re: Are you sure????? (long) - zanash 05:06:03 04/09/06 (2)

Yes, sonics varies with individuals, but.. - cheap-Jack 09:16:26 04/09/06 (1)

Nice view of the brain! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:47:42 04/09/06 (0)

Re: Read the following sentence very carefully! - KlausR. 05:56:49 04/08/06 (3)

You seem to be in general agreement with the comments - bjh 09:18:17 04/08/06 (2)

Re: You seem to be in general agreement with the comments - KlausR. 09:35:02 04/08/06 (1)

Oh well, it appears there was - bjh 10:03:22 04/08/06 (0)

Wow! You've made 'quotation of the century'. - cheap-Jack 08:27:54 04/07/06 (1)

"I think yours an apple-to-orange comparison." More like apple to watermelon. - clarkjohnsen 09:26:00 04/07/06 (0)

Congratulations on finding a perfect line stage - E-Stat 04:54:24 04/07/06 (84)

Perfect line stage???? - kerr 05:09:37 04/07/06 (83)

No problem-try this one - Atexanathome 08:24:07 04/08/06 (4)

Does "utterly transparent" = "Perfect. Period."? - clarkjohnsen 15:29:27 04/10/06 (1)

Re: Does "utterly transparent" = "Perfect. Period."? - Pat D 19:58:03 04/19/06 (0)

The Audio Critic???? - kerr 05:56:46 04/10/06 (0)

Yes another over the top review, that one being notable - bjh 09:12:17 04/08/06 (0)

Funk MTX studio preamp - KlausR. 06:21:49 04/07/06 (77)

Re: Funk MTX studio preamp - kerr 08:12:12 04/07/06 (75)

Some quotes from a 2005 review - KlausR. 09:34:39 04/07/06 (73)

Re: Some quotes from a 2005 review - kerr 12:21:39 04/07/06 (6)

Purchase in 2002, review in 2005! - KlausR. 04:00:10 04/08/06 (5)

Thanks, that admission is reassuring, in fact - bjh 10:24:49 04/10/06 (0)

Since all of your gear is based on specs alone, quote the specs and be done. (nt) - soulfood 07:33:02 04/10/06 (2)

For those interested... - KlausR. 09:03:33 04/10/06 (1)

Re: "...Shure's basic concepts have been subject of some AES papers." - geoffkait 09:49:57 04/10/06 (0)

Re: Purchase in 2002, review in 2005! - kerr 06:07:30 04/10/06 (0)

You believe everything you read in reviews? Priceless!!!!!!! LOL nt - bjh 09:59:15 04/07/06 (65)

Not priceless, for you I'll attach the high-end price tag! - KlausR. 11:20:00 04/07/06 (64)

But wait, there's more... - mkuller 11:48:08 04/07/06 (60)

Of course it was not done blind! - KlausR. 01:47:10 04/08/06 (50)

Re: Of course it was not done blind! - kerr 04:39:34 04/10/06 (48)

Re: Of course it was not done blind! - theaudiohobby 06:01:34 04/11/06 (47)

Reliability - KlausR. 01:26:54 04/12/06 (46)

Re: Reliability - theaudiohobby 06:48:08 04/12/06 (45)

Re: Logic failure - geoffkait 08:22:10 04/12/06 (44)

It's CONSISTENT, not superior! - KlausR. 02:49:21 04/13/06 (41)

CONSISTENT? - mkuller 13:37:41 04/13/06 (2)

Re: CONSISTENT? - KlausR. 00:37:08 04/14/06 (1)

Re: CONSISTENT...yes... - mkuller 09:39:46 04/14/06 (0)

Re: It's CONSISTENT, not superior! - geoffkait 07:42:14 04/13/06 (37)

Chip test - KlausR. 08:43:10 04/13/06 (36)

Re: I will not test your chip... - geoffkait 09:48:33 04/13/06 (35)

You're claiming it works: you have the burden of proof. - Pat D 13:35:17 04/17/06 (34)

Re: Intelligent Chip - geoffkait 17:59:59 04/17/06 (33)

Geoff fails to distinguish between an open mind and an empty head - Tom Dawson 09:23:05 04/19/06 (3)

Re: Fishy - geoffkait 09:44:32 04/19/06 (2)

How about verifying some sort of IC effect on disc transparency, rather than make the mere assertion? - Tom Dawson 10:11:39 04/19/06 (1)

Re: Verification - geoffkait 11:19:53 04/19/06 (0)

Let's see now: You sell the Chip but I'm supposed to prove it works? LOL - Pat D 18:11:16 04/17/06 (28)

Re: "I'm supposed to prove it works?" - geoffkait 18:34:43 04/17/06 (27)

Ok then: You sell it, but I'm supposed to try it out to see if it works! GMAB - Pat D 20:06:49 04/17/06 (26)

Re: arguments made of straw (prima facie) - geoffkait 03:28:56 04/18/06 (25)

You sell it, so you show it works. - Pat D 11:06:20 04/18/06 (24)

Pat - bjh 14:12:16 04/18/06 (0)

Re: "That's how things are." - geoffkait 13:00:54 04/18/06 (22)

Still no credible evidence. - Pat D 22:03:15 04/18/06 (21)

Re: Babylon revisited - geoffkait 03:28:04 04/19/06 (20)

P. T. Barnum effect. - Pat D 08:34:39 04/19/06 (19)

Re: Bozo effect - geoffkait 09:04:06 04/19/06 (18)

Re: Bozo effect - Pat D 10:00:56 04/19/06 (17)

Pat, you're wrestling with a pig.. - jneutron 15:06:48 04/19/06 (14)

Little out of character for you, no? - bjh 12:40:00 04/20/06 (3)

Not at all. - jneutron 13:11:43 04/20/06 (2)

Guess you missed the point ... - bjh 19:54:23 04/20/06 (1)

my point here with you - jneutron 06:58:12 04/21/06 (0)

Yeah, but I wanted him to show what he is, and he did. (nt) - Pat D 19:51:22 04/19/06 (8)

Re: Well, the only thing you've actually shown... - geoffkait 06:22:27 04/20/06 (7)

Geoff, the self-declared winner. Not very convincing. (nt) - Pat D 10:03:08 04/20/06 (6)

Re: Good one, but... - geoffkait 13:02:17 04/20/06 (5)

Re: Good one, but... - jneutron 13:18:45 04/20/06 (4)

Re: My reality will... - geoffkait 17:51:41 04/20/06 (3)

That is an expectation, and actually a desire. - jneutron 07:02:05 04/21/06 (2)

Re: Perfect, we're on the same wavelength :-) nt - geoffkait 08:17:35 04/21/06 (1)

Then why.. - jneutron 08:26:01 04/21/06 (1)

Re: Ba ram ewe, to your sheep, your fleece, your clan be true, ba ram ewe. nt - geoffkait 17:52:16 04/19/06 (0)

Re: "but it's an educated guess" - geoffkait 10:37:53 04/19/06 (1)

You still haven't shown your product works. - Pat D 10:10:42 04/20/06 (0)

Re: Two wrongs do not make a right... - theaudiohobby 14:54:33 04/12/06 (1)

Re: "Test subject who fails a test..." - geoffkait 07:39:41 04/13/06 (0)

Re: Of course it was not done blind! - Pat D 11:35:27 04/08/06 (0)

Why must you make things up? - Pat D 19:41:17 04/07/06 (8)

Pat, is it too much to ask if the review was sighted? After all ... - bjh 21:10:15 04/07/06 (7)

Are you being a hypocrite? - Caymus 00:11:42 04/08/06 (6)

The question concerns Klaus adhering to his own standards. There is nothing hypocritical in the query. - bjh 06:24:50 04/08/06 (5)

Black and white thinking. - Pat D 11:37:54 04/08/06 (4)

Disagree - kerr 04:46:11 04/10/06 (3)

Clarification - kerr 04:47:39 04/10/06 (2)

More black and white thinking. - Pat D 12:36:07 04/10/06 (1)

(sigh) Never mind (nt) - kerr 11:21:03 04/11/06 (0)

Recording engineer, eh? Why the *hell* would you take the advice ... - bjh 11:37:57 04/07/06 (2)

I'm ditching CDs ?????????? - KlausR. 23:23:55 04/07/06 (1)

My apologies ... - bjh 08:15:11 04/08/06 (0)

Says it's for "radio and television control rooms, and high-end". So at least we have versatility. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:31:56 04/07/06 (0)

Yes folks! You'll only ditch 1/3 of your CD purchases! Yeeeeee HA HA HA nt - bjh 06:55:06 04/07/06 (0)

Re: Help!!! I'm confused now... do cables really sound different?!? - Android 21:36:01 04/06/06 (0)

Could someone make a truly horrible interconnect? - Russ57 14:37:39 04/05/06 (8)

What may be 'tizzy' to one man may be 'torture' to another, thus the term YMMV. - bjh 17:24:23 04/05/06 (7)

Be nice to my friend here, please. - cheap-Jack 07:30:06 04/06/06 (6)

Hey ... - bjh 09:35:51 04/06/06 (5)

And I took no offense - Russ57 11:36:49 04/06/06 (4)

Curious hardly covers it! - bjh 12:45:13 04/06/06 (3)

You clearly have more experience than I do - Russ57 14:24:18 04/06/06 (2)

I believe you're referring, at least in part, to internal wiring. On that I know squat. - bjh 14:53:11 04/06/06 (1)

Very true. - cheap-Jack 17:07:55 04/06/06 (0)

Re: Help!!! I'm confused now... do cables really sound different?!? - john curl 16:54:24 04/04/06 (29)

Re: Help!!! I'm confused now... do cables really sound different?!? - Inmate51 11:07:26 04/10/06 (0)

"Cables really do sound different." Of course they do! You'd have to be near-deaf, or... - clarkjohnsen 08:18:50 04/05/06 (4)

Or non-delusional, non-gullible, non-desperate, intelligent, rational, etc. - Caymus 10:14:15 04/05/06 (1)

Don't expect Clark to give a balanced enumeration of possibilities! - Pat D 06:51:56 04/07/06 (0)

Those "OR"s should have been "AND/OR"s :) nt - bjh 09:52:14 04/05/06 (1)

Quite right! Silly me. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:58:37 04/05/06 (0)

Then why canâ€™t anyone hear these differences without prior knowledge? - Caymus 22:57:44 04/04/06 (22)

Because their dog ate their homework! (NT) - andy_c 18:08:52 04/05/06 (0)

Re: Then why canâ€™t anyone hear these differences without prior knowledge? - jneutron 10:10:27 04/05/06 (14)

But that doesnâ€™t explain why prior knowledge is required - Caymus 10:33:38 04/05/06 (13)

Re: But that doesnâ€™t explain why prior knowledge is required - jneutron 10:51:47 04/05/06 (5)

What is your "changes in localizaton mapping" ? (nt) - cheap-Jack 11:04:34 04/05/06 (4)

Sorry about that. - jneutron 11:43:08 04/05/06 (3)

Interesting. But ... - cheap-Jack 13:35:39 04/05/06 (1)

good questions - jneutron 13:48:58 04/05/06 (0)

please forgive the spelling errors..sheesh.. - jneutron 11:49:02 04/05/06 (0)

Re: But that doesnâ€™t explain why prior knowledge is required - Dave Pogue 10:49:03 04/05/06 (4)

Where I live the input AC has a nasty notch... - Caymus 13:27:55 04/05/06 (3)

Re: Where I live the input AC has a nasty notch... - kerr 05:01:58 04/06/06 (2)

No (nt) - Caymus 11:16:21 04/09/06 (0)

And he has a couple of them high distortin' SETs ! - E-Stat 10:23:02 04/06/06 (0)

Not true... - mkuller 10:45:04 04/05/06 (1)

Re: Not true... - theaudiohobby 23:31:49 04/05/06 (0)

Who are "anyone"? Not me & many other for sure. (long) - cheap-Jack 08:45:20 04/05/06 (2)

So you NEVER answered the phone and mistaken the caller for someone else? - Caymus 13:56:28 04/05/06 (1)

EXaggeration, pal. - cheap-Jack 09:07:35 04/07/06 (0)

Who says the medical industry has figured this out? - Dave Pogue 05:41:24 04/05/06 (2)

Ah!, the idyllic medical industry, ... - bjh 06:47:16 04/05/06 (1)

The pharmaceutical industry, ... - mkuller 11:58:42 04/07/06 (0)

Like it or not, cables sound different. (long) - cheap-Jack 08:55:01 04/03/06 (26)

Re: Like it or not, cables sound different. (long) - Kuja 15:30:30 04/03/06 (2)

Look for specific sonic ques... - machani 17:31:36 04/04/06 (0)

Take it easy, my friend. - cheap-Jack 09:02:52 04/04/06 (0)

That has to be ... - clifff 12:30:50 04/03/06 (22)

That's 'non-sequitur', Sparky. nt - Tom Dawson 12:23:48 04/12/06 (0)

Substantiate your statement, BIG mouth ! (nt)`. - cheap-Jack 12:43:45 04/03/06 (20)

Are you always so personal and rude? - clifff 13:08:00 04/03/06 (19)

Who is "rude " the first place ? - cheap-Jack 13:37:23 04/03/06 (18)

I was responding to what you posted, not you in person. - clifff 14:00:48 04/03/06 (0)

Umm, you.. - jneutron 13:44:29 04/03/06 (16)

So you're also guessing... - cheap-Jack 17:22:40 04/03/06 (15)

no, I am not guessing. - jneutron 06:20:37 04/04/06 (14)

YOU missed the point completely ! (long) - cheap-Jack 08:32:16 04/04/06 (13)

Actually, I did not..(long, with OMG, technical stuff inside.) - jneutron 09:49:09 04/04/06 (12)

What a great show off of "off topic". (long) - cheap-Jack 13:46:51 04/04/06 (5)

ok, I'm back to discuss your other "stuff" - jneutron 07:01:43 04/05/06 (3)

Glad you "adire" me. - taking the simplified way. - cheap-Jack 12:41:26 04/05/06 (2)

Silly guy..I said I admire your taking the effort..sheesh - jneutron 13:39:27 04/05/06 (0)

Correct: it should read "admire" in the caption. (nt) - cheap-Jack 12:47:57 04/05/06 (0)

my goodness. Please read the posts more slowly.. - jneutron 14:06:41 04/04/06 (0)

Question? Since you mention capacitance and inductance when speaking - bjh 11:54:11 04/04/06 (3)

Re: Question? Since you mention capacitance and inductance when speaking - jneutron 12:22:31 04/04/06 (2)

Well ... - bjh 12:54:13 04/04/06 (1)

Re: Well ... - jneutron 13:11:02 04/04/06 (0)

Thanks for the explanation - clifff 10:07:39 04/04/06 (1)

your welcome. - jneutron 10:18:04 04/04/06 (0)

You Removed Several Key Variables..... - Todd Krieger 01:18:35 04/03/06 (2)

Thanks, that cleared it up for me as well! - machani 17:24:05 04/04/06 (0)

Quite right! (Although I would have said he *introduced* variables.) nt - clarkjohnsen 13:56:55 04/04/06 (0)

They sure do. - Tom Dawson 00:08:41 04/03/06 (0)

Yes, they do sound different. - Jon Risch 23:19:02 04/02/06 (18)

Excellent post... - mkuller 13:20:46 04/07/06 (15)

A fabrication, Mr. Kuller - real_jj 16:20:08 04/10/06 (14)

Selective responses... - mkuller 13:37:03 04/11/06 (10)

Muller's Misinformation 101 - real_jj 15:15:53 04/11/06 (9)

"It's a question of magnitude." Yes, exactly...(nt) - mkuller 11:32:06 04/12/06 (7)

Where's the retraction, Mr. Kuller? - real_jj 15:00:12 04/12/06 (6)

Are YOU stalking ME now? (nt) - mkuller 10:39:33 04/13/06 (5)

Where's the retraction, Mr. Kuller - real_jj 16:25:15 04/13/06 (4)

Stop your stalking...(nt) - mkuller 11:23:29 04/14/06 (3)

Where's your retraction? - real_jj 21:21:12 04/16/06 (2)

Imaginary sleight... - mkuller 18:49:51 04/17/06 (1)

Making a diagnosis? - real_jj 03:37:37 04/25/06 (0)

Err, the above should read Mkuller, sorry. - real_jj 15:20:11 04/11/06 (0)

I liked the fake Silver Eared one better...(nt) - mkuller 12:19:03 04/11/06 (2)

Still stalking, I see. - real_jj 15:16:28 04/11/06 (1)

Re: Still stalking, I see. - Silver Eared John 19:34:05 04/11/06 (0)

Hold it. - real_jj 14:28:31 04/04/06 (0)

LISTEN UP! Jon's references to his essays are valuable reading. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:50:07 04/04/06 (0)

Re: Help!!! I'm confused now... do cables really sound different?!? - bjh 20:28:48 04/02/06 (31)

Nope, silver sounds fine. (long) - cheap-Jack 13:26:32 04/03/06 (1)

I never said all! But some I've heard are that way, some not. - bjh 18:49:38 04/03/06 (0)

Not one listener so far has been able to discriminate silver from copper when blind - Caymus 21:30:43 04/02/06 (28)

Are you sure? - cheap-Jack 13:53:56 04/03/06 (7)

He didn't do it! Guess you win... nt - clarkjohnsen 13:58:48 04/04/06 (0)

Youâ€™re missing the point - Caymus 15:29:13 04/03/06 (5)

Wireworld has proven it over and over-theirs is always superior! - Atexanathome 17:39:18 04/03/06 (4)

Ha ha â€“ also donâ€™tâ€™ forget MITâ€™s secret "Articulation Response" measurement! - Caymus 18:26:16 04/03/06 (3)

Actually, their box is not a secret - Atexanathome 19:23:25 04/03/06 (2)

MIT Oracle cables... - mkuller 13:27:08 04/07/06 (0)

Re: Actually, their box is not a secret - morricab 09:07:09 04/04/06 (0)

Re: Not one listener so far has been able to discriminate silver from copper when blind - bjh 07:28:09 04/03/06 (19)

There's no such thing as "naysayer bias" - Caymus 15:13:51 04/03/06 (18)

Naysayer Bias == Predisposition to *not* hear changes. Blind tests *do not* counter this bias. nt - bjh 17:05:06 04/03/06 (17)

Oh, bull. - real_jj 19:30:11 04/12/06 (0)

What are you babbling about? I hear differences in *many* components - Caymus 18:58:16 04/03/06 (10)

You know... - Wellfed 12:43:53 04/04/06 (8)

Well, I see one of each :-) - andy_c 18:07:21 04/05/06 (5)

Yeah, Clark brought my number down... - Wellfed 18:45:25 04/05/06 (4)

I think you need to do more research on this one! (nt) - Pat D 11:45:15 04/08/06 (3)

I don't know about that... - Wellfed 14:10:45 04/08/06 (2)

Another example . . . - Pat D 18:00:13 04/10/06 (1)

Well... - Wellfed 21:22:11 04/10/06 (0)

Still counting... nt - clarkjohnsen 14:00:32 04/04/06 (1)

Clark... - Wellfed 14:51:55 04/04/06 (0)

You seem more than a little upset, - bjh 19:09:27 04/03/06 (0)

That's a testable claim . . . - Pat D 18:56:00 04/03/06 (4)

Boy, I bet the thought of a testing ranked right up there with... - Wellfed 14:59:34 04/04/06 (3)

Re: Boy, I bet the thought of a testing ranked right up there with... - Pat D 18:56:50 04/04/06 (2)

My point was... - Wellfed 19:28:23 04/04/06 (1)

Re: My point was... - Pat D 16:04:48 04/05/06 (0)

Congratulations! Now you're getting smarter. - Atexanathome 15:53:14 04/02/06 (0)

Re: Help!!! I'm confused now... do cables really sound different?!? - unclestu52 14:45:27 04/02/06 (0)

The recipe for chocolate ice cream... - Al Sekela 13:41:41 04/02/06 (0)

Re: Help!!! I'm confused now... do cables really sound different?!? - porziob@aol.com 13:19:22 04/02/06 (0)

Expectations can secretly influence our emotional impressions - Caymus 13:12:41 04/02/06 (19)

This ... - bjh 20:11:40 04/02/06 (18)

Re: This ... - real_jj 19:31:32 04/12/06 (0)

Is that all you can do is trash-talk and personal attacks? - Caymus 21:15:12 04/02/06 (16)

I've pointing out the lack of consistency in your public statements ... apparently you prefer to not discuss. nt - bjh 05:01:52 04/03/06 (15)

What "lack of consistency"? - Caymus 15:54:37 04/03/06 (14)

Your shifting stories. Wiggle wiggle little worm. nt - bjh 17:06:50 04/03/06 (13)

No, you just assumed he was talking about the same auditions - Pat D 19:04:15 04/03/06 (12)

You believe whatever you like but I've seen one to many variations on his little story .. - bjh 10:25:59 04/04/06 (11)

No pleasing you guys. - Pat D 06:48:54 04/07/06 (6)

Stick to the topic chump. You challenged my integrity re: Camus's fairy tales, I responded. nt - bjh 07:27:00 04/07/06 (5)

Pointing out errors in facts, proof, and logic is not to challenge your integrity. - Pat D 19:35:18 04/07/06 (4)

Apologist ... sad and pathetic one at that! It's bias that makes you do it ... too bad you don't see it! Never will! nt - bjh 21:13:51 04/07/06 (3)

More argumentem ad hominem . . . - Pat D 11:42:48 04/08/06 (2)

Wow, the little Lap Doggie knows some big words. LOL nt - bjh 12:35:24 04/08/06 (1)

And name calling, too. Is that simple enough? And you still haven't - Pat D 15:34:34 04/09/06 (0)

Yikes - you are getting overly obsessed with me! - Caymus 13:56:14 04/04/06 (3)

Listen real close now ... - bjh 19:03:20 04/04/06 (0)

I'd like to... - Wellfed 15:27:26 04/04/06 (1)

We're gonna spread a love epidemic, all around the worrrrld... - clarkjohnsen 08:09:14 04/06/06 (0)

Re: Help!!! I'm confused now... do cables really sound different?!? - Kuja 08:57:49 04/02/06 (2)

RE deleting your own posts. - Jon Risch 11:20:45 04/02/06 (1)

Aw come on... - Wellfed 21:56:18 04/02/06 (0)

Re: Help!!! I'm confused now... do cables really sound different?!? - lancelot 09:43:42 04/02/06 (1)

Normally, I would agree, but... - TopPop 10:27:52 04/02/06 (0)

Follow Ups

Answer: Because they're PSEUDO-skeptics. And they have usurped a useful term. - clarkjohnsen 15:49:56 04/10/06 (21)

After 20 years and not a single audiophile has been able to prove their fantastic claim... - Caymus 18:27:34 04/10/06 (9)

X-ray vision can only be proven in a double blind test (NT) - tunenut 13:33:48 04/12/06 (0)

May I suggest you read more than talk empty ???? (long) - cheap-Jack 09:36:32 04/12/06 (5)

This is what I'm on about..... - dado4 07:32:18 04/13/06 (4)

Give me a break, please. - cheap-Jack 15:51:14 04/13/06 (3)

Hey, JACK, do the math - real_jj 21:15:04 04/24/06 (1)

What to moles have to do with it?? :-) - jneutron 09:16:04 04/25/06 (0)

no contradiction - dado4 16:13:23 04/13/06 (0)

Because no one wants to bother with you. nt - Norm 20:36:55 04/10/06 (1)

No kidding! nt - clarkjohnsen 07:58:19 04/11/06 (0)

Hohum. Still doesn't remove the burden of proof from those who make claims of audible differences. - Pat D 17:55:18 04/10/06 (10)

Why is there a burden of proof ? nt - Norm 20:38:37 04/10/06 (9)

Re: Why is there a burden of proof ? nt - Pat D 13:10:20 04/17/06 (2)

And one week later - bjh 05:34:26 04/19/06 (1)

Re: And one week later - Pat D 13:50:54 04/20/06 (0)

Because he says so -- the hauteur and arrogance are supposed to intimidate us lesser beings. nt - clarkjohnsen 07:55:47 04/11/06 (2)

You are not a lesser being. You are a PHYSICIST HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! - andy_c 22:00:37 04/17/06 (0)

Did you actually read your own link? (nt) - Pat D 12:22:19 04/11/06 (0)

I'd like to see proof - bjh 21:47:34 04/10/06 (2)

Would that be relevant to audio? (nt) - Pat D 06:00:50 04/11/06 (1)

No sillier than your requiring proof for opinions from an audio hobbyist group...(nt) - mkuller 11:05:31 04/21/06 (0)