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In Reply to: Then why can’t anyone hear these differences without prior knowledge? posted by Caymus on April 4, 2006 at 22:57:44:
Caymus: ""That may indicate the claimed differences require listener imagination.""It could also be an indication that the test regimen does not account for some unexpected human variable.
There are no existing recorded programs, to the best of my knowledge, that provides correct localization parameters. Without such actual content, the human brain is left to interpret soundfield information of the type not found in nature. In other words, we are attempting to interpret something which does not exist in the natural world.
A perfect example is material which, during mixdown, uses a pan pot to shift the image source right or left. For this case, the stimulus is entirely left-right intensity differences, but alas, no left to right ear time delay. This signal does not exist in nature..
Current listening tests do not consider this issue, nor the time constant of that re-interpretation process should part of the parameter space be shifted in some small way.
To me, current test regimens are incomplete. As such, I do not consider the "issue" as it were, closed.
Cheers, John
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- Typical quacking, I see. - real_jj 20:27:26 04/19/06 (59)
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- Really now? - real_jj 17:22:31 04/22/06 (20)
- Stalking me again? - mkuller 12:39:14 04/23/06 (19)
- You a man or a parrot? - real_jj 00:46:01 04/24/06 (18)
- Let's take a look at what you represent... - mkuller 11:32:00 04/25/06 (17)
- Re: Let's take a look at what you represent... - Rod M 19:12:53 04/27/06 (9)
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- Another attemp at dialog failed by arrogance and stubbornness... (nt) - mkuller 12:04:16 04/30/06 (1)
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- Come on, now - real_jj 23:04:53 04/27/06 (2)
- "How dare you castigate me for asking for what I deserve?" - bjh 07:39:27 04/28/06 (1)
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- No, but then again I haven't tried to either... - Wellfed 14:52:25 05/01/06 (0)
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- Your deliberately offensive error was - real_jj 12:47:00 04/29/06 (1)
- Good one, jj. I hadn't read that one. (nt) - Pat D 13:33:54 04/29/06 (0)
- Once again, mkuller attempts to muddy the waters - real_jj 12:46:25 04/25/06 (0)
- Re: Check it out... - Tre' 13:16:11 04/22/06 (10)
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- Are you interested in learning or just arguing? - mkuller 15:01:35 04/23/06 (7)
- Just as I suspected - YOU don't really know - Caymus 15:58:42 04/23/06 (6)
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- Caymus - KlausR. 09:07:44 04/24/06 (0)
- If mkuller essentially agrees with the substance of the - bjh 17:16:58 04/23/06 (3)
- Hey, did I ask "Can BJH tell us what he thinks he knows about mkmuller’s views"? - Caymus 18:37:11 04/23/06 (2)
- It's a simple issue of bullying... - real_jj 12:52:49 04/24/06 (0)
- Well, should mkmuller pose to you the same question I put to you, - bjh 20:39:10 04/23/06 (0)
- You missed a quack or two - kerr 04:43:23 04/20/06 (21)
- "Why am I so obliged?" Because you've been told so. Now get with the program or jj will pay no more attention to you. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:26:42 04/20/06 (18)
- Is that a promise? :) - kerr 13:19:51 04/20/06 (17)
- He just wants to be the center of attention... - mkuller 16:34:52 04/20/06 (16)
- Again, your relentless vilification - real_jj 14:47:57 04/21/06 (15)
- DBTs... - mkuller 16:04:17 04/21/06 (14)
- Let's see, scientifically controlled DBTs of codecs... - KlausR. 07:51:16 04/22/06 (13)
- Scientifically controlled DBTs of codecs... - mkuller 10:38:13 04/22/06 (4)
- Re: Scientifically controlled DBTs of codecs... - KlausR. 22:38:56 04/22/06 (3)
- Of the vast number - bjh 07:32:11 04/23/06 (2)
- Grow up, son, become mature, then we'll talk (nt) - KlausR. 07:43:46 04/23/06 (1)
- I can only assume that since you admission - bjh 08:28:15 04/22/06 (7)
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- If I were to make an anology of how badly you missed the point with - bjh 09:13:01 04/22/06 (5)
- Re: If I were to make an anology of how badly you missed the point with - Tre' 13:09:36 04/22/06 (4)
- As you - bjh 13:55:25 04/22/06 (3)
- As you - Tre' 17:10:19 04/22/06 (2)
- Re: As you - bjh 19:38:58 04/22/06 (1)
- Re: As you - Tre' 08:44:19 04/23/06 (0)
- Well ... - bjh 07:46:28 04/20/06 (1)
- Re: Well ... - kerr 11:36:45 04/20/06 (0)
- Great line from Firefly - dado4 16:47:02 04/13/06 (1)
- 'Twas a fine, fine show. Adam Baldwin's was my favorite character. nt - clarkjohnsen 06:07:11 04/14/06 (0)
- The replies below show mostly bipolar "yea-sayer" thinking - Caymus 16:34:06 04/13/06 (34)
- Re: The replies below show mostly bipolar "yea-sayer" thinking - Todd Krieger 21:37:30 04/20/06 (0)
- Dogmatism... - mkuller 11:21:16 04/14/06 (11)
- Indeed, you are right... - real_jj 14:08:16 04/18/06 (10)
- Re: Indeed, you are right... - Todd Krieger 21:49:46 04/20/06 (7)
- This is the Propellor Head Forum - real_jj 14:51:04 04/21/06 (6)
- I think the reality of the matter is... - Wellfed 17:00:11 04/26/06 (4)
- Delusion isn't necessary... - real_jj 15:25:54 04/27/06 (3)
- Squatter rights at PHP aside, when you say... - soulfood 09:13:01 04/28/06 (1)
- Err. - real_jj 15:11:37 04/28/06 (0)
- Give Prop Head back to the Prop Heads... - Wellfed 18:23:58 04/27/06 (0)
- Oops.... Sorry!!! - Todd Krieger 16:26:26 04/22/06 (0)
- Least they don't babble on endlessly about some - bjh 20:47:16 04/18/06 (0)
- Not...the "DBT naysayers"... - mkuller 14:44:26 04/18/06 (0)
- What dado4 said... - kerr 05:06:05 04/14/06 (1)
- "All this I do for you. Why? Who ARE you?" Indeed, indeed. - clarkjohnsen 06:21:35 04/14/06 (0)
- tis a fools errand - dado4 16:51:30 04/13/06 (18)
- We question each other to ultimately learn what makes better audio - Caymus 16:21:19 04/15/06 (11)
- Re: We question each other to ultimately learn what makes better audio - dado4 01:21:04 04/17/06 (9)
- Propagating fantasy listening experiences is probably not healthy - Caymus 12:19:18 04/17/06 (8)
- Re: Propagating fantasy listening experiences is probably not healthy - dado4 13:52:14 04/17/06 (7)
- Actually, we do have ways of separating the external and internal - real_jj 13:50:41 04/20/06 (6)
- Nope - dado4 22:35:48 04/20/06 (5)
- I suggest that you study the field before you speak again. - real_jj 14:56:32 04/21/06 (4)
- No insult here - dado4 17:55:47 04/21/06 (3)
- Sorry, wrong... - real_jj 12:49:55 04/24/06 (2)
- Re: Sorry, wrong... - dado4 14:21:56 04/25/06 (1)
- Again, wrong - real_jj 23:51:04 04/25/06 (0)
- A noble, respectable cause indeed! - kerr 11:49:57 04/16/06 (0)
- "A sense of self righteousness" (an aggressively high-handed one at that) pretty well explains the phenomenon. nt - clarkjohnsen 06:09:33 04/14/06 (5)
- Indeed it does... - real_jj 14:11:54 04/18/06 (4)
- Re: Indeed it does... - kerr 09:24:00 04/19/06 (2)
- "Required? By whom? I don't require it." Nor do I! Nor any reasonable man. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:22:04 04/20/06 (1)
- And you're the "reasonable man" here? - real_jj 13:51:40 04/20/06 (1)
- My explanation is perfectly illustrated! Thank you. nt - clarkjohnsen 14:16:25 04/18/06 (0)
- You must first BELIEVE in cable differences in order to hear them - Caymus 14:43:50 04/10/06 (51)
- You must believe in anything subtle to hear the truth - Patrick82 17:26:27 04/14/06 (13)
- Aczel believed, but the differences weren't audible - Atexanathome 20:01:52 04/20/06 (10)
- Warm-up - Patrick82 18:09:27 04/21/06 (0)
- One person's "epiphany", another's "biggest mistake". - bjh 10:53:37 04/21/06 (7)
- Conclusion doesn't follow. - Pat D 17:47:19 04/21/06 (6)
- p.s. Fortuitously a recent John Atkinson editorial ... - bjh 09:46:53 04/22/06 (4)
- Already read it. - Pat D 12:19:41 04/22/06 (3)
- Your gurus are people who parrot your preconcieved notions, simple and sweet, Black and White, Perfect. Period. LOL nt - bjh 12:51:41 04/22/06 (2)
- Nonsense! My ideas are post-conceived!!!!! - Pat D 19:13:35 04/22/06 (1)
- Re: Nonsense! My ideas are post-conceived!!!!! - bjh 19:48:02 04/22/06 (0)
- Pat don't rely upon your bias for everything ... *read* the quote carefully. No wait ... - bjh 19:58:27 04/21/06 (0)
- two sided coin - dado4 08:40:18 04/21/06 (0)
- Yes, pratice (our ears) makes perfect (hearing). (nt) - cheap-Jack 08:23:16 04/18/06 (0)
- now I know why I suck at pool.... - dado4 09:01:40 04/17/06 (0)
- How about some nice multistrand copperweld ICs with well oxidized surfaces? - Tom Dawson 10:56:31 04/12/06 (4)
- "Copperweld" rings a bell to me. But.. - cheap-Jack 12:58:43 04/12/06 (3)
- Re: "Copperweld" rings a bell to me. But.. - Tom Dawson 13:25:08 04/12/06 (2)
- Yes, it is a tradename. - cheap-Jack 13:52:09 04/12/06 (1)
- Hey, I've got some of those! - Atexanathome 17:33:48 04/26/06 (0)
- There are basically - unclestu52 21:21:08 04/11/06 (5)
- Yes, L.C. R are always in an AC circuit. - cheap-Jack 08:05:39 04/12/06 (4)
- Re: Yes, L.C. R are always in an AC circuit. - unclestu52 17:42:04 04/13/06 (1)
- Yes, you hit the bull's-eye. - cheap-Jack 09:15:42 04/17/06 (0)
- Then we have the difference between static and dynamic modeling. The former, while not simple... - clarkjohnsen 08:50:18 04/12/06 (1)
- Re: Then we have the difference between static and dynamic modeling. The former, while not simple... - Dan Banquer 16:38:10 04/12/06 (0)
- So you don't want to hear the difference 'cause you never "believe" it. - cheap-Jack 11:54:11 04/11/06 (0)
- Cable claims - dado4 20:28:47 04/10/06 (0)
- Irony - dado4 15:41:39 04/10/06 (22)
- Answer: Because they're PSEUDO-skeptics. And they have usurped a useful term. - clarkjohnsen 15:49:56 04/10/06 (21)
- After 20 years and not a single audiophile has been able to prove their fantastic claim... - Caymus 18:27:34 04/10/06 (9)
- X-ray vision can only be proven in a double blind test (NT) - tunenut 13:33:48 04/12/06 (0)
- May I suggest you read more than talk empty ???? (long) - cheap-Jack 09:36:32 04/12/06 (5)
- This is what I'm on about..... - dado4 07:32:18 04/13/06 (4)
- Give me a break, please. - cheap-Jack 15:51:14 04/13/06 (3)
- Hey, JACK, do the math - real_jj 21:15:04 04/24/06 (1)
- What to moles have to do with it?? :-) - jneutron 09:16:04 04/25/06 (0)
- no contradiction - dado4 16:13:23 04/13/06 (0)
- Because no one wants to bother with you. nt - Norm 20:36:55 04/10/06 (1)
- No kidding! nt - clarkjohnsen 07:58:19 04/11/06 (0)
- Hohum. Still doesn't remove the burden of proof from those who make claims of audible differences. - Pat D 17:55:18 04/10/06 (10)
- Why is there a burden of proof ? nt - Norm 20:38:37 04/10/06 (9)
- Re: Why is there a burden of proof ? nt - Pat D 13:10:20 04/17/06 (2)
- And one week later - bjh 05:34:26 04/19/06 (1)
- Re: And one week later - Pat D 13:50:54 04/20/06 (0)
- Because he says so -- the hauteur and arrogance are supposed to intimidate us lesser beings. nt - clarkjohnsen 07:55:47 04/11/06 (2)
- You are not a lesser being. You are a PHYSICIST HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! - andy_c 22:00:37 04/17/06 (0)
- Did you actually read your own link? (nt) - Pat D 12:22:19 04/11/06 (0)
- I'd like to see proof - bjh 21:47:34 04/10/06 (2)
- Would that be relevant to audio? (nt) - Pat D 06:00:50 04/11/06 (1)
- No sillier than your requiring proof for opinions from an audio hobbyist group...(nt) - mkuller 11:05:31 04/21/06 (0)
- Ah, - bjh 14:59:42 04/10/06 (0)
- You read that one, now read this one VERY carefully - dado4 12:54:36 04/10/06 (14)
- Re: You read that one, now read this one VERY carefully - real_jj 14:14:53 04/18/06 (0)
- Not joining this discussion exactly... - Jim Austin 16:26:41 04/10/06 (7)
- Of course? [nt] - Wellfed 23:56:18 04/10/06 (4)
- yes - tunenut 09:43:36 04/12/06 (3)
- Why is that likely?... - Wellfed 15:52:41 04/12/06 (2)
- Re: Why is that likely?... - tunenut 17:19:42 04/12/06 (1)
- Very true... - Wellfed 23:37:11 04/12/06 (0)
- try to tell a positivist that - dado4 16:56:38 04/10/06 (1)
- Re: try to tell a positivist that - Jim Austin 17:06:01 04/10/06 (0)
- Exactly. I don't see what all the fuss is about. Anyway, who ARE these people... - clarkjohnsen 14:03:43 04/10/06 (2)
- Total misunderstanding. - Pat D 21:46:43 04/13/06 (0)
- They're the 'naysayers'... - mkuller 14:50:36 04/10/06 (0)
- "IF" & only if you can't hear the difference, ... - cheap-Jack 13:24:23 04/10/06 (1)
- Hey Wellfed, here's another one!!! (nt) - Pat D 17:56:58 04/10/06 (0)
- Read the following sentence very carefully! - KlausR. 00:19:02 04/07/06 (101)
- It would be useful to hear from Ray Kimber in this thread. nt - Inmate51 09:10:10 04/10/06 (1)
- Re: It would be useful to hear from Ray Kimber in this thread. nt - unclestu52 13:24:52 04/10/06 (0)
- Re: Read the following sentence very carefully! - ernstr@xs4all.nl 04:32:02 04/08/06 (11)
- Re: Read the following sentence very carefully! - theaudiohobby 00:11:41 04/10/06 (2)
- I agree & disagree. (long) - cheap-Jack 08:23:07 04/10/06 (0)
- Yes well as you're - bjh 04:32:23 04/10/06 (0)
- Are you sure????? (long) - cheap-Jack 19:00:54 04/08/06 (3)
- Re: Are you sure????? (long) - zanash 05:06:03 04/09/06 (2)
- Yes, sonics varies with individuals, but.. - cheap-Jack 09:16:26 04/09/06 (1)
- Nice view of the brain! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:47:42 04/09/06 (0)
- Re: Read the following sentence very carefully! - KlausR. 05:56:49 04/08/06 (3)
- You seem to be in general agreement with the comments - bjh 09:18:17 04/08/06 (2)
- Re: You seem to be in general agreement with the comments - KlausR. 09:35:02 04/08/06 (1)
- Oh well, it appears there was - bjh 10:03:22 04/08/06 (0)
- Wow! You've made 'quotation of the century'. - cheap-Jack 08:27:54 04/07/06 (1)
- "I think yours an apple-to-orange comparison." More like apple to watermelon. - clarkjohnsen 09:26:00 04/07/06 (0)
- Congratulations on finding a perfect line stage - E-Stat 04:54:24 04/07/06 (84)
- Perfect line stage???? - kerr 05:09:37 04/07/06 (83)
- No problem-try this one - Atexanathome 08:24:07 04/08/06 (4)
- Does "utterly transparent" = "Perfect. Period."? - clarkjohnsen 15:29:27 04/10/06 (1)
- Re: Does "utterly transparent" = "Perfect. Period."? - Pat D 19:58:03 04/19/06 (0)
- The Audio Critic???? - kerr 05:56:46 04/10/06 (0)
- Yes another over the top review, that one being notable - bjh 09:12:17 04/08/06 (0)
- Funk MTX studio preamp - KlausR. 06:21:49 04/07/06 (77)
- Re: Funk MTX studio preamp - kerr 08:12:12 04/07/06 (75)
- Some quotes from a 2005 review - KlausR. 09:34:39 04/07/06 (73)
- Re: Some quotes from a 2005 review - kerr 12:21:39 04/07/06 (6)
- Purchase in 2002, review in 2005! - KlausR. 04:00:10 04/08/06 (5)
- Thanks, that admission is reassuring, in fact - bjh 10:24:49 04/10/06 (0)
- Since all of your gear is based on specs alone, quote the specs and be done. (nt) - soulfood 07:33:02 04/10/06 (2)
- For those interested... - KlausR. 09:03:33 04/10/06 (1)
- Re: "...Shure's basic concepts have been subject of some AES papers." - geoffkait 09:49:57 04/10/06 (0)
- Re: Purchase in 2002, review in 2005! - kerr 06:07:30 04/10/06 (0)
- You believe everything you read in reviews? Priceless!!!!!!! LOL nt - bjh 09:59:15 04/07/06 (65)
- Not priceless, for you I'll attach the high-end price tag! - KlausR. 11:20:00 04/07/06 (64)
- But wait, there's more... - mkuller 11:48:08 04/07/06 (60)
- Of course it was not done blind! - KlausR. 01:47:10 04/08/06 (50)
- Re: Of course it was not done blind! - kerr 04:39:34 04/10/06 (48)
- Re: Of course it was not done blind! - theaudiohobby 06:01:34 04/11/06 (47)
- Reliability - KlausR. 01:26:54 04/12/06 (46)
- Re: Reliability - theaudiohobby 06:48:08 04/12/06 (45)
- Re: Logic failure - geoffkait 08:22:10 04/12/06 (44)
- It's CONSISTENT, not superior! - KlausR. 02:49:21 04/13/06 (41)
- CONSISTENT? - mkuller 13:37:41 04/13/06 (2)
- Re: CONSISTENT? - KlausR. 00:37:08 04/14/06 (1)
- Re: CONSISTENT...yes... - mkuller 09:39:46 04/14/06 (0)
- Re: It's CONSISTENT, not superior! - geoffkait 07:42:14 04/13/06 (37)
- Chip test - KlausR. 08:43:10 04/13/06 (36)
- Re: I will not test your chip... - geoffkait 09:48:33 04/13/06 (35)
- You're claiming it works: you have the burden of proof. - Pat D 13:35:17 04/17/06 (34)
- Re: Intelligent Chip - geoffkait 17:59:59 04/17/06 (33)
- Geoff fails to distinguish between an open mind and an empty head - Tom Dawson 09:23:05 04/19/06 (3)
- Re: Fishy - geoffkait 09:44:32 04/19/06 (2)
- How about verifying some sort of IC effect on disc transparency, rather than make the mere assertion? - Tom Dawson 10:11:39 04/19/06 (1)
- Re: Verification - geoffkait 11:19:53 04/19/06 (0)
- Let's see now: You sell the Chip but I'm supposed to prove it works? LOL - Pat D 18:11:16 04/17/06 (28)
- Re: "I'm supposed to prove it works?" - geoffkait 18:34:43 04/17/06 (27)
- Ok then: You sell it, but I'm supposed to try it out to see if it works! GMAB - Pat D 20:06:49 04/17/06 (26)
- Re: arguments made of straw (prima facie) - geoffkait 03:28:56 04/18/06 (25)
- You sell it, so you show it works. - Pat D 11:06:20 04/18/06 (24)
- Pat - bjh 14:12:16 04/18/06 (0)
- Re: "That's how things are." - geoffkait 13:00:54 04/18/06 (22)
- Still no credible evidence. - Pat D 22:03:15 04/18/06 (21)
- Re: Babylon revisited - geoffkait 03:28:04 04/19/06 (20)
- P. T. Barnum effect. - Pat D 08:34:39 04/19/06 (19)
- Re: Bozo effect - geoffkait 09:04:06 04/19/06 (18)
- Re: Bozo effect - Pat D 10:00:56 04/19/06 (17)
- Pat, you're wrestling with a pig.. - jneutron 15:06:48 04/19/06 (14)
- Little out of character for you, no? - bjh 12:40:00 04/20/06 (3)
- Not at all. - jneutron 13:11:43 04/20/06 (2)
- Guess you missed the point ... - bjh 19:54:23 04/20/06 (1)
- my point here with you - jneutron 06:58:12 04/21/06 (0)
- Yeah, but I wanted him to show what he is, and he did. (nt) - Pat D 19:51:22 04/19/06 (8)
- Re: Well, the only thing you've actually shown... - geoffkait 06:22:27 04/20/06 (7)
- Geoff, the self-declared winner. Not very convincing. (nt) - Pat D 10:03:08 04/20/06 (6)
- Re: Good one, but... - geoffkait 13:02:17 04/20/06 (5)
- Re: Good one, but... - jneutron 13:18:45 04/20/06 (4)
- Re: My reality will... - geoffkait 17:51:41 04/20/06 (3)
- That is an expectation, and actually a desire. - jneutron 07:02:05 04/21/06 (2)
- Re: Perfect, we're on the same wavelength :-) nt - geoffkait 08:17:35 04/21/06 (1)
- Then why.. - jneutron 08:26:01 04/21/06 (1)
- Re: Ba ram ewe, to your sheep, your fleece, your clan be true, ba ram ewe. nt - geoffkait 17:52:16 04/19/06 (0)
- Re: "but it's an educated guess" - geoffkait 10:37:53 04/19/06 (1)
- You still haven't shown your product works. - Pat D 10:10:42 04/20/06 (0)
- Re: Two wrongs do not make a right... - theaudiohobby 14:54:33 04/12/06 (1)
- Re: "Test subject who fails a test..." - geoffkait 07:39:41 04/13/06 (0)
- Re: Of course it was not done blind! - Pat D 11:35:27 04/08/06 (0)
- Why must you make things up? - Pat D 19:41:17 04/07/06 (8)
- Pat, is it too much to ask if the review was sighted? After all ... - bjh 21:10:15 04/07/06 (7)
- Are you being a hypocrite? - Caymus 00:11:42 04/08/06 (6)
- The question concerns Klaus adhering to his own standards. There is nothing hypocritical in the query. - bjh 06:24:50 04/08/06 (5)
- Black and white thinking. - Pat D 11:37:54 04/08/06 (4)
- Disagree - kerr 04:46:11 04/10/06 (3)
- Clarification - kerr 04:47:39 04/10/06 (2)
- More black and white thinking. - Pat D 12:36:07 04/10/06 (1)
- (sigh) Never mind (nt) - kerr 11:21:03 04/11/06 (0)
- Recording engineer, eh? Why the *hell* would you take the advice ... - bjh 11:37:57 04/07/06 (2)
- I'm ditching CDs ?????????? - KlausR. 23:23:55 04/07/06 (1)
- My apologies ... - bjh 08:15:11 04/08/06 (0)
- Says it's for "radio and television control rooms, and high-end". So at least we have versatility. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:31:56 04/07/06 (0)
- Yes folks! You'll only ditch 1/3 of your CD purchases! Yeeeeee HA HA HA nt - bjh 06:55:06 04/07/06 (0)
- Re: Help!!! I'm confused now... do cables really sound different?!? - Android 21:36:01 04/06/06 (0)
- Could someone make a truly horrible interconnect? - Russ57 14:37:39 04/05/06 (8)
- What may be 'tizzy' to one man may be 'torture' to another, thus the term YMMV. - bjh 17:24:23 04/05/06 (7)
- Be nice to my friend here, please. - cheap-Jack 07:30:06 04/06/06 (6)
- Hey ... - bjh 09:35:51 04/06/06 (5)
- And I took no offense - Russ57 11:36:49 04/06/06 (4)
- Curious hardly covers it! - bjh 12:45:13 04/06/06 (3)
- You clearly have more experience than I do - Russ57 14:24:18 04/06/06 (2)
- I believe you're referring, at least in part, to internal wiring. On that I know squat. - bjh 14:53:11 04/06/06 (1)
- Very true. - cheap-Jack 17:07:55 04/06/06 (0)
- Re: Help!!! I'm confused now... do cables really sound different?!? - john curl 16:54:24 04/04/06 (29)
- Re: Help!!! I'm confused now... do cables really sound different?!? - Inmate51 11:07:26 04/10/06 (0)
- "Cables really do sound different." Of course they do! You'd have to be near-deaf, or... - clarkjohnsen 08:18:50 04/05/06 (4)
- Or non-delusional, non-gullible, non-desperate, intelligent, rational, etc. - Caymus 10:14:15 04/05/06 (1)
- Don't expect Clark to give a balanced enumeration of possibilities! - Pat D 06:51:56 04/07/06 (0)
- Those "OR"s should have been "AND/OR"s :) nt - bjh 09:52:14 04/05/06 (1)
- Quite right! Silly me. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:58:37 04/05/06 (0)
- Then why can’t anyone hear these differences without prior knowledge? - Caymus 22:57:44 04/04/06 (22)
- Because their dog ate their homework! (NT) - andy_c 18:08:52 04/05/06 (0)
- Re: Then why can’t anyone hear these differences without prior knowledge? - jneutron 10:10:27 04/05/06 (14)
- But that doesn’t explain why prior knowledge is required - Caymus 10:33:38 04/05/06 (13)
- Re: But that doesn’t explain why prior knowledge is required - jneutron 10:51:47 04/05/06 (5)
- What is your "changes in localizaton mapping" ? (nt) - cheap-Jack 11:04:34 04/05/06 (4)
- Sorry about that. - jneutron 11:43:08 04/05/06 (3)
- Interesting. But ... - cheap-Jack 13:35:39 04/05/06 (1)
- good questions - jneutron 13:48:58 04/05/06 (0)
- please forgive the spelling errors..sheesh.. - jneutron 11:49:02 04/05/06 (0)
- Re: But that doesn’t explain why prior knowledge is required - Dave Pogue 10:49:03 04/05/06 (4)
- Where I live the input AC has a nasty notch... - Caymus 13:27:55 04/05/06 (3)
- Re: Where I live the input AC has a nasty notch... - kerr 05:01:58 04/06/06 (2)
- No (nt) - Caymus 11:16:21 04/09/06 (0)
- And he has a couple of them high distortin' SETs ! - E-Stat 10:23:02 04/06/06 (0)
- Not true... - mkuller 10:45:04 04/05/06 (1)
- Re: Not true... - theaudiohobby 23:31:49 04/05/06 (0)
- Who are "anyone"? Not me & many other for sure. (long) - cheap-Jack 08:45:20 04/05/06 (2)
- So you NEVER answered the phone and mistaken the caller for someone else? - Caymus 13:56:28 04/05/06 (1)
- EXaggeration, pal. - cheap-Jack 09:07:35 04/07/06 (0)
- Who says the medical industry has figured this out? - Dave Pogue 05:41:24 04/05/06 (2)
- Ah!, the idyllic medical industry, ... - bjh 06:47:16 04/05/06 (1)
- The pharmaceutical industry, ... - mkuller 11:58:42 04/07/06 (0)
- Like it or not, cables sound different. (long) - cheap-Jack 08:55:01 04/03/06 (26)
- Re: Like it or not, cables sound different. (long) - Kuja 15:30:30 04/03/06 (2)
- Look for specific sonic ques... - machani 17:31:36 04/04/06 (0)
- Take it easy, my friend. - cheap-Jack 09:02:52 04/04/06 (0)
- That has to be ... - clifff 12:30:50 04/03/06 (22)
- That's 'non-sequitur', Sparky. nt - Tom Dawson 12:23:48 04/12/06 (0)
- Substantiate your statement, BIG mouth ! (nt)`. - cheap-Jack 12:43:45 04/03/06 (20)
- Are you always so personal and rude? - clifff 13:08:00 04/03/06 (19)
- Who is "rude " the first place ? - cheap-Jack 13:37:23 04/03/06 (18)
- I was responding to what you posted, not you in person. - clifff 14:00:48 04/03/06 (0)
- Umm, you.. - jneutron 13:44:29 04/03/06 (16)
- So you're also guessing... - cheap-Jack 17:22:40 04/03/06 (15)
- no, I am not guessing. - jneutron 06:20:37 04/04/06 (14)
- YOU missed the point completely ! (long) - cheap-Jack 08:32:16 04/04/06 (13)
- Actually, I did not..(long, with OMG, technical stuff inside.) - jneutron 09:49:09 04/04/06 (12)
- What a great show off of "off topic". (long) - cheap-Jack 13:46:51 04/04/06 (5)
- ok, I'm back to discuss your other "stuff" - jneutron 07:01:43 04/05/06 (3)
- Glad you "adire" me. - taking the simplified way. - cheap-Jack 12:41:26 04/05/06 (2)
- Silly guy..I said I admire your taking the effort..sheesh - jneutron 13:39:27 04/05/06 (0)
- Correct: it should read "admire" in the caption. (nt) - cheap-Jack 12:47:57 04/05/06 (0)
- my goodness. Please read the posts more slowly.. - jneutron 14:06:41 04/04/06 (0)
- Question? Since you mention capacitance and inductance when speaking - bjh 11:54:11 04/04/06 (3)
- Re: Question? Since you mention capacitance and inductance when speaking - jneutron 12:22:31 04/04/06 (2)
- Well ... - bjh 12:54:13 04/04/06 (1)
- Re: Well ... - jneutron 13:11:02 04/04/06 (0)
- Thanks for the explanation - clifff 10:07:39 04/04/06 (1)
- your welcome. - jneutron 10:18:04 04/04/06 (0)
- You Removed Several Key Variables..... - Todd Krieger 01:18:35 04/03/06 (2)
- Thanks, that cleared it up for me as well! - machani 17:24:05 04/04/06 (0)
- Quite right! (Although I would have said he *introduced* variables.) nt - clarkjohnsen 13:56:55 04/04/06 (0)
- They sure do. - Tom Dawson 00:08:41 04/03/06 (0)
- Yes, they do sound different. - Jon Risch 23:19:02 04/02/06 (18)
- Excellent post... - mkuller 13:20:46 04/07/06 (15)
- A fabrication, Mr. Kuller - real_jj 16:20:08 04/10/06 (14)
- Selective responses... - mkuller 13:37:03 04/11/06 (10)
- Muller's Misinformation 101 - real_jj 15:15:53 04/11/06 (9)
- "It's a question of magnitude." Yes, exactly...(nt) - mkuller 11:32:06 04/12/06 (7)
- Where's the retraction, Mr. Kuller? - real_jj 15:00:12 04/12/06 (6)
- Are YOU stalking ME now? (nt) - mkuller 10:39:33 04/13/06 (5)
- Where's the retraction, Mr. Kuller - real_jj 16:25:15 04/13/06 (4)
- Stop your stalking...(nt) - mkuller 11:23:29 04/14/06 (3)
- Where's your retraction? - real_jj 21:21:12 04/16/06 (2)
- Imaginary sleight... - mkuller 18:49:51 04/17/06 (1)
- Making a diagnosis? - real_jj 03:37:37 04/25/06 (0)
- Err, the above should read Mkuller, sorry. - real_jj 15:20:11 04/11/06 (0)
- I liked the fake Silver Eared one better...(nt) - mkuller 12:19:03 04/11/06 (2)
- Still stalking, I see. - real_jj 15:16:28 04/11/06 (1)
- Re: Still stalking, I see. - Silver Eared John 19:34:05 04/11/06 (0)
- Hold it. - real_jj 14:28:31 04/04/06 (0)
- LISTEN UP! Jon's references to his essays are valuable reading. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:50:07 04/04/06 (0)
- Re: Help!!! I'm confused now... do cables really sound different?!? - bjh 20:28:48 04/02/06 (31)
- Nope, silver sounds fine. (long) - cheap-Jack 13:26:32 04/03/06 (1)
- I never said all! But some I've heard are that way, some not. - bjh 18:49:38 04/03/06 (0)
- Not one listener so far has been able to discriminate silver from copper when blind - Caymus 21:30:43 04/02/06 (28)
- Are you sure? - cheap-Jack 13:53:56 04/03/06 (7)
- He didn't do it! Guess you win... nt - clarkjohnsen 13:58:48 04/04/06 (0)
- You’re missing the point - Caymus 15:29:13 04/03/06 (5)
- Wireworld has proven it over and over-theirs is always superior! - Atexanathome 17:39:18 04/03/06 (4)
- Ha ha – also don’t’ forget MIT’s secret "Articulation Response" measurement! - Caymus 18:26:16 04/03/06 (3)
- Actually, their box is not a secret - Atexanathome 19:23:25 04/03/06 (2)
- MIT Oracle cables... - mkuller 13:27:08 04/07/06 (0)
- Re: Actually, their box is not a secret - morricab 09:07:09 04/04/06 (0)
- Re: Not one listener so far has been able to discriminate silver from copper when blind - bjh 07:28:09 04/03/06 (19)
- There's no such thing as "naysayer bias" - Caymus 15:13:51 04/03/06 (18)
- Naysayer Bias == Predisposition to *not* hear changes. Blind tests *do not* counter this bias. nt - bjh 17:05:06 04/03/06 (17)
- Oh, bull. - real_jj 19:30:11 04/12/06 (0)
- What are you babbling about? I hear differences in *many* components - Caymus 18:58:16 04/03/06 (10)
- You know... - Wellfed 12:43:53 04/04/06 (8)
- Well, I see one of each :-) - andy_c 18:07:21 04/05/06 (5)
- Yeah, Clark brought my number down... - Wellfed 18:45:25 04/05/06 (4)
- I think you need to do more research on this one! (nt) - Pat D 11:45:15 04/08/06 (3)
- I don't know about that... - Wellfed 14:10:45 04/08/06 (2)
- Another example . . . - Pat D 18:00:13 04/10/06 (1)
- Well... - Wellfed 21:22:11 04/10/06 (0)
- Still counting... nt - clarkjohnsen 14:00:32 04/04/06 (1)
- Clark... - Wellfed 14:51:55 04/04/06 (0)
- You seem more than a little upset, - bjh 19:09:27 04/03/06 (0)
- That's a testable claim . . . - Pat D 18:56:00 04/03/06 (4)
- Boy, I bet the thought of a testing ranked right up there with... - Wellfed 14:59:34 04/04/06 (3)
- Re: Boy, I bet the thought of a testing ranked right up there with... - Pat D 18:56:50 04/04/06 (2)
- My point was... - Wellfed 19:28:23 04/04/06 (1)
- Re: My point was... - Pat D 16:04:48 04/05/06 (0)
- Congratulations! Now you're getting smarter. - Atexanathome 15:53:14 04/02/06 (0)
- Re: Help!!! I'm confused now... do cables really sound different?!? - unclestu52 14:45:27 04/02/06 (0)
- The recipe for chocolate ice cream... - Al Sekela 13:41:41 04/02/06 (0)
- Re: Help!!! I'm confused now... do cables really sound different?!? - porziob@aol.com 13:19:22 04/02/06 (0)
- Expectations can secretly influence our emotional impressions - Caymus 13:12:41 04/02/06 (19)
- This ... - bjh 20:11:40 04/02/06 (18)
- Re: This ... - real_jj 19:31:32 04/12/06 (0)
- Is that all you can do is trash-talk and personal attacks? - Caymus 21:15:12 04/02/06 (16)
- I've pointing out the lack of consistency in your public statements ... apparently you prefer to not discuss. nt - bjh 05:01:52 04/03/06 (15)
- What "lack of consistency"? - Caymus 15:54:37 04/03/06 (14)
- Your shifting stories. Wiggle wiggle little worm. nt - bjh 17:06:50 04/03/06 (13)
- No, you just assumed he was talking about the same auditions - Pat D 19:04:15 04/03/06 (12)
- You believe whatever you like but I've seen one to many variations on his little story .. - bjh 10:25:59 04/04/06 (11)
- No pleasing you guys. - Pat D 06:48:54 04/07/06 (6)
- Stick to the topic chump. You challenged my integrity re: Camus's fairy tales, I responded. nt - bjh 07:27:00 04/07/06 (5)
- Pointing out errors in facts, proof, and logic is not to challenge your integrity. - Pat D 19:35:18 04/07/06 (4)
- Apologist ... sad and pathetic one at that! It's bias that makes you do it ... too bad you don't see it! Never will! nt - bjh 21:13:51 04/07/06 (3)
- More argumentem ad hominem . . . - Pat D 11:42:48 04/08/06 (2)
- Wow, the little Lap Doggie knows some big words. LOL nt - bjh 12:35:24 04/08/06 (1)
- And name calling, too. Is that simple enough? And you still haven't - Pat D 15:34:34 04/09/06 (0)
- Yikes - you are getting overly obsessed with me! - Caymus 13:56:14 04/04/06 (3)
- Listen real close now ... - bjh 19:03:20 04/04/06 (0)
- I'd like to... - Wellfed 15:27:26 04/04/06 (1)
- We're gonna spread a love epidemic, all around the worrrrld... - clarkjohnsen 08:09:14 04/06/06 (0)
- Re: Help!!! I'm confused now... do cables really sound different?!? - Kuja 08:57:49 04/02/06 (2)
- RE deleting your own posts. - Jon Risch 11:20:45 04/02/06 (1)
- Aw come on... - Wellfed 21:56:18 04/02/06 (0)
- Re: Help!!! I'm confused now... do cables really sound different?!? - lancelot 09:43:42 04/02/06 (1)
- Normally, I would agree, but... - TopPop 10:27:52 04/02/06 (0)
Follow Ups
- Re: Then why can’t anyone hear these differences without prior knowledge? - jneutron 10:10:27 04/05/06 (14)
- But that doesn’t explain why prior knowledge is required - Caymus 10:33:38 04/05/06 (13)
- Re: But that doesn’t explain why prior knowledge is required - jneutron 10:51:47 04/05/06 (5)
- What is your "changes in localizaton mapping" ? (nt) - cheap-Jack 11:04:34 04/05/06 (4)
- Sorry about that. - jneutron 11:43:08 04/05/06 (3)
- Interesting. But ... - cheap-Jack 13:35:39 04/05/06 (1)
- good questions - jneutron 13:48:58 04/05/06 (0)
- please forgive the spelling errors..sheesh.. - jneutron 11:49:02 04/05/06 (0)
- Re: But that doesn’t explain why prior knowledge is required - Dave Pogue 10:49:03 04/05/06 (4)
- Where I live the input AC has a nasty notch... - Caymus 13:27:55 04/05/06 (3)
- Re: Where I live the input AC has a nasty notch... - kerr 05:01:58 04/06/06 (2)
- No (nt) - Caymus 11:16:21 04/09/06 (0)
- And he has a couple of them high distortin' SETs ! - E-Stat 10:23:02 04/06/06 (0)
- Not true... - mkuller 10:45:04 04/05/06 (1)
- Re: Not true... - theaudiohobby 23:31:49 04/05/06 (0)
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