10 Biggest lies in Audio, huh? - WinthorpeIII

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Topic - The Audio Critic is now a free Web 'zine - Pat D 17:39:45 01/06/07 (222)

Not much there -- seems like a few excerpts from a few articles -- is that all there is? - Richard BassNut Greene 14:44:06 01/12/07 (5)

Re: Not much there -- seems like a few excerpts from a few articles -- is that all there is? - Pat D 11:21:11 01/13/07 (4)

Geez Pat I knew I had to click on "More" to see the whole article! ... They were just not very substantial articles - Richard BassNut Greene 11:55:47 01/15/07 (3)

What do you expect? - Atexanathome 16:02:46 01/19/07 (0)

Well, yeah, but compared to what? (nt) - Pat D 05:40:11 01/17/07 (0)

TAC's "not very substantial" articles should surprise no one. :) (nt) - kerr 12:27:16 01/15/07 (0)

Re: The Audio Critic is now a free Web 'zine - Mickey Bob 10:27:20 01/12/07 (0)

Re: The Audio Critic is now a free Web 'zine - hahax@verizon.net 20:11:12 01/09/07 (0)

Re: The Audio Critic is now a free Web 'zine - Greg Ewing 13:14:04 01/09/07 (44)

Re: The Audio Critic is now a free Web 'zine - kurt s 13:36:56 01/09/07 (43)

Re: The Audio Critic is now a free Web 'zine - Greg Ewing 14:07:26 01/09/07 (42)

Some more info on this... - kurt s 15:37:21 01/09/07 (0)

Re: The Audio Critic is now a free Web 'zine - andy19191 14:22:31 01/09/07 (40)

Yeah, Science, what you dun for me lately? - tomservo 11:30:19 01/12/07 (0)

Re: The Audio Critic is now a free Web 'zine - thetubeguy1954 11:17:24 01/10/07 (1)

Re: The Audio Critic is now a free Web 'zine - 3fd 14:09:53 01/12/07 (0)

Re: The Audio Critic is now a free Web 'zine - morricab 01:15:15 01/10/07 (2)

Re: The Audio Critic is now a free Web 'zine - andy19191 10:21:49 01/10/07 (1)

Re: The Audio Critic is now a free Web 'zine - morricab 15:05:12 01/10/07 (0)

Well now - E-Stat 18:07:00 01/09/07 (5)

Re: Well now - andy19191 21:48:08 01/09/07 (4)

You may be right after all... - E-Stat 17:38:39 01/10/07 (3)

Re: You may be right after all... - andy19191 01:22:05 01/11/07 (2)

Re: woofers - E-Stat 04:42:28 01/11/07 (0)

Thanks for the non-answer to your generalization - E-Stat 04:37:28 01/11/07 (0)

Re: The Audio Critic is now a free Web 'zine - kurt s 14:51:02 01/09/07 (27)

Re: The Audio Critic is now a free Web 'zine - andy19191 15:51:57 01/09/07 (26)

Re: The Audio Critic is now a free Web 'zine - morricab 01:28:11 01/10/07 (0)

Re: The Audio Critic is now a free Web 'zine - andy19191 14:07:08 01/10/07 (2)

Re: The Audio Critic is now a free Web 'zine - morricab 15:00:04 01/10/07 (1)

Re: The Audio Critic is now a free Web 'zine - andy19191 01:03:24 01/11/07 (0)

Wow! Thanks very much for those two - Sordidman 08:36:26 01/10/07 (0)

"Opinions? Science does not have opinions." - kurt s 16:15:40 01/09/07 (15)

Re: "Opinions? Science does not have opinions." - andy19191 23:31:10 01/09/07 (3)

Re: "Opinions? Science does not have opinions." - kurt s 08:31:16 01/10/07 (2)

Re: "Opinions? Science does not have opinions." - andy19191 01:36:15 01/11/07 (0)

You figured out andy pretty quickly... - mkuller 20:40:16 01/10/07 (0)

Re: "Opinions? Science does not have opinions." - bjh 20:19:54 01/09/07 (10)

Re: "Opinions? Science does not have opinions." - andy19191 23:43:34 01/09/07 (9)

Re: One contradictory valid observation will force an adopted model to be discarded. - jensw 13:52:18 01/10/07 (0)

Re: "Opinions? Science does not have opinions." - Tom Schuman 04:37:02 01/10/07 (6)

Re: "Opinions? Science does not have opinions." - andy19191 11:38:24 01/10/07 (5)

Sounds like you're talking about 'scientism'...(nt) - mkuller 20:43:18 01/10/07 (0)

How are we defining the term "science" here? - Thomas Martens 12:12:33 01/10/07 (3)

Re: How are we defining the term "science" here? - andy19191 01:54:13 01/11/07 (0)

Not to mention ... - bjh 12:52:30 01/10/07 (1)

Let me add - jensw 00:58:03 01/11/07 (0)

Amen! nt - bjh 04:08:57 01/10/07 (0)

Science changes all the time - it's not static...(nt) - mkuller 15:58:13 01/09/07 (4)

Re: Science changes all the time - it's not static...(nt) - andy19191 23:26:36 01/09/07 (3)

That's as ludicrous a claim - E-Stat 18:12:38 01/10/07 (0)

So science is all finished? LOL!...(nt) - mkuller 11:35:52 01/10/07 (0)

Re: Science changes all the time - it's not static...(nt) - morricab 01:07:37 01/10/07 (0)

"Audio for Dummies" - kurt s 13:01:37 01/08/07 (28)

"...then maybe audio is not your hobby." Yeah, what's up with that? nt - clarkjohnsen 00:33:51 01/13/07 (0)

Re: "Audio for Dummies" - Dan Banquer 06:50:55 01/09/07 (8)

Re: "Audio for Dummies" - bjh 07:07:55 01/09/07 (7)

Re: "Audio for Dummies" - Dan Banquer 07:18:47 01/09/07 (6)

I find your reticence a little surprising! - bjh 08:35:00 01/09/07 (5)

In case you haven't noticed - Dan Banquer 08:45:47 01/09/07 (4)

Darn right! - E-Stat 18:35:45 01/09/07 (0)

Sorry if I touched a nerve, I had not idea this was a topic you'd prefer not to discuss. - bjh 09:13:20 01/09/07 (2)

Don't think the "hi-end" needs Dan's help. Its self-marginalizing. nt - Rick W 13:26:29 01/11/07 (1)

Well as long as it makes him happy let's not deny him the pleasure. LOL nt - bjh 19:22:57 01/11/07 (0)

Re: Must be pretty convenient to dismiss something based on a false premise - theaudiohobby 02:13:08 01/09/07 (12)

Let me add something here - kurt s 10:25:34 01/09/07 (6)

"And his mission is to childishly ridicule all that he does not understand." Bingo! nt - clarkjohnsen 00:31:37 01/13/07 (0)

You didn't read that Infinity review very carefully - Atexanathome 16:54:07 01/09/07 (4)

Okay, I plead guilty. - kurt s 18:49:06 01/09/07 (3)

Re: Your are still missing the point - theaudiohobby 00:38:55 01/10/07 (2)

Not completely missing the mark - kurt s 09:23:01 01/10/07 (1)

Thanks Kurt - thetubeguy1954 12:07:10 01/10/07 (0)

Really! - lancelot 08:36:41 01/09/07 (3)

Re: You misundertood completely! - theaudiohobby 09:03:57 01/09/07 (2)

Sensory perceptions and objective constraints... - mkuller 16:03:00 01/09/07 (1)

Re: Sensory perceptions and objective constraints... - Ozzie 10:08:03 01/12/07 (0)

Amongst audiophiles the believe that speakers - bjh 04:32:18 01/09/07 (0)

Well said......nt - Alex Peychev 22:09:00 01/08/07 (0)

Yep, you said what I was thinking better than I could. [nt] - Ted Smith 18:46:26 01/08/07 (0)

Re: "Audio for Dummies" - Ozzie 15:31:10 01/08/07 (2)

Re: "Audio for Dummies" - kurt s 19:56:24 01/08/07 (1)

Re: "Audio for Dummies" - Ozzie 07:40:02 01/09/07 (0)

Parasound Halo A 21: Quiz time ... did he or didn't he listen to the review unit? - bjh 07:58:36 01/08/07 (4)

"And, yes, it sounds really good, too." - Pat D 17:09:45 01/09/07 (1)

Re: "And, yes, it sounds really good, too." - john curl 17:17:55 01/12/07 (0)

Dave Wilson and Parasound - TomLarson 16:29:52 01/09/07 (0)

Channeling Julian Hirsch. * - mr grits 15:18:51 01/09/07 (0)

Folks we shouldn't be hasty, it seems there *is* some entertainment value here! Read - bjh 07:44:09 01/08/07 (1)

Do be hasty. - Ozzie 10:35:53 01/08/07 (0)

Let's see if Aczel has the balls to put his Fourier review online (nt) - Rob Doorack 06:55:46 01/08/07 (50)

Re: You indeed live in the past... - theaudiohobby 07:04:49 01/08/07 (49)

I still have copies of the magazine in question... - mkuller 11:00:03 01/08/07 (0)

A man's villainy lives on forever - Rob Doorack 08:30:52 01/08/07 (47)

Re: A man's villainy lives on forever - AmanteDiMusica 10:36:22 01/08/07 (6)

Re: A man's villainy lives on forever - Rob Doorack 19:48:03 01/08/07 (5)

Re: A man's villainy lives on forever - AmanteDiMusica 20:38:49 01/08/07 (4)

If you will email me... - mkuller 12:28:46 01/09/07 (3)

Thank you so much Mkuller: got the fax - AmanteDiMusica 08:33:13 01/17/07 (0)

I didn't get any fax yet.. - AmanteDiMusica 08:23:53 01/12/07 (0)

Mkuller, you have mail! - AmanteDiMusica 10:12:39 01/10/07 (0)

Re: A man's villainy lives on forever - theaudiohobby 09:25:09 01/08/07 (39)

Now that is funny - Analog Scott 08:49:36 01/09/07 (38)

Re: Nice trick question - theaudiohobby 09:13:40 01/09/07 (37)

It's not a trick question - Analog Scott 12:50:21 01/09/07 (36)

Re: It's not a trick question - theaudiohobby 00:49:22 01/10/07 (35)

Re: It's not a trick question - Analog Scott 12:32:40 01/10/07 (34)

Re: It's not a trick question - theaudiohobby 15:40:59 01/10/07 (33)

Re: It's not a trick question - Analog Scott 22:47:22 01/10/07 (32)

Re: Finally, asking the right questions.. - theaudiohobby 02:49:43 01/11/07 (31)

who said anything about casual listening? - Analog Scott 20:42:42 01/11/07 (30)

Re: Still jumping to the wrong conclusion - theaudiohobby 02:35:06 01/12/07 (29)

Every argument you made was wrong. - Analog Scott 22:31:18 01/13/07 (28)

Re: The fallacy.... - theaudiohobby 07:18:06 01/14/07 (27)

thank you for finally admitting I was right - Analog Scott 08:41:19 01/14/07 (26)

Re: Still going round in circles.... - theaudiohobby 10:20:26 01/14/07 (25)

I agree that you are going around in circles. - Analog Scott 00:23:47 01/15/07 (24)

Re: Sigh.. - theaudiohobby 01:29:23 01/15/07 (0)

Wrong again - Analog Scott 09:17:07 01/15/07 (22)

Re: Wrong again - theaudiohobby 09:21:20 01/15/07 (21)

You are waiting for something i already did - Analog Scott 11:46:01 01/15/07 (20)

Re: Okay... - theaudiohobby 16:47:19 01/15/07 (9)

Dude you would be hard pressed to find anything less relevant without going outside of audio - Analog Scott 18:49:35 01/15/07 (8)

Re: What Floyd said - theaudiohobby 04:37:00 01/16/07 (7)

Thank you once again for proving my point. - Analog Scott 09:30:43 01/16/07 (6)

Re: Talk about shifting your ground... - theaudiohobby 12:52:17 01/16/07 (5)

Yes you guys like to talk about it even though it's nonsense - Analog Scott 13:51:04 01/16/07 (0)

Excellent analysis! - Pat D 13:21:26 01/16/07 (3)

Putting two noncontradicting statements of mine together and claiming thee is a contradtiction is good analysis? - Analog Scott 13:59:33 01/16/07 (0)

Re: So true and oh so funny -nt - theaudiohobby 13:37:46 01/16/07 (1)

Yes you have convinced each other. very impressive. - Analog Scott 14:01:08 01/16/07 (0)

If you were actually clear about what you wanted to discuss, and didn't keep changing your ground, it would be easier! - Pat D 12:41:49 01/15/07 (9)

Re: Thanks Pat D. - theaudiohobby 16:19:07 01/15/07 (3)

LOL you need to work in packs. - Analog Scott 16:46:22 01/15/07 (2)

Re: Sigh, why not just respond to the posts -nt - theaudiohobby 16:49:49 01/15/07 (1)

Because the fifth time around it is clear that you won't get it any better than you did the previous four times - Analog Scott 18:53:47 01/15/07 (0)

But I am clear and I don't change my ground. - Analog Scott 12:49:44 01/15/07 (4)

ROTFLOL - Pat D 13:35:40 01/16/07 (3)

Amazing - Analog Scott 14:16:53 01/16/07 (2)

I said you misrepresented audiohobby's views, not your own. . . - Pat D 20:28:16 01/16/07 (1)

. Yes you do love to make things up about me. - Analog Scott 22:22:58 01/16/07 (0)

Like reviewing salt - it's all the same - okiemax 23:47:29 01/07/07 (8)

Re: Like reviewing salt - it's all the same - theaudiohobby 01:46:42 01/08/07 (7)

Amp price per pound - okiemax 11:32:40 01/08/07 (6)

Sam Tellig recommended buying amps by the pound/dollar ratio - Atexanathome 15:52:52 01/08/07 (5)

I believe Nelson Pass made a similar argument - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 15:40:19 01/09/07 (3)

Re: I believe Nelson Pass made a similar argument - okiemax 20:41:50 01/09/07 (2)

Re: I believe Nelson Pass made a similar argument - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 12:00:28 01/11/07 (1)

Thanks(nt) - okiemax 18:53:34 01/11/07 (0)

Re: Sam Tellig recommended buying amps by the pound/dollar ratio - TomLarson 17:18:12 01/08/07 (0)

Still a rip-off! - kerr 21:58:38 01/07/07 (0)

Re: The Audio Critic is now a free Web 'zine - srl1 13:35:59 01/07/07 (26)

Re: The Audio Critic is now a free Web 'zine - Pat D 13:57:29 01/07/07 (25)

Show them a magazine that tries to establish whether a product makes an audible difference - Analog Scott 14:05:40 01/07/07 (24)

Reviews by people.... - mkuller 17:54:58 01/07/07 (21)

Reviews by people who at least are willing to put it on the line. - Ozzie 19:51:18 01/07/07 (20)

Good question... - mkuller 10:38:31 01/08/07 (17)

And... - mkuller 10:53:14 01/08/07 (16)

Did you read the comparo test in Car and Driver - E-Stat 18:57:25 01/09/07 (1)

The Crown amp looks good on paper, too...(nt) - mkuller 20:56:33 01/09/07 (0)

Re: And... - Ozzie 11:28:32 01/08/07 (13)

Proof of what? - mkuller 11:46:03 01/08/07 (12)

Re: Proof of what? - Ozzie 13:13:28 01/08/07 (10)

Oh please, give me a break... - mkuller 19:33:03 01/08/07 (6)

here's a break... - Ozzie 10:58:12 01/09/07 (2)

Re: here's a break... - bjh 11:34:35 01/09/07 (1)

Ghost writting. - Ozzie 11:08:48 01/10/07 (0)

Re: Oh please, give me a break... - theaudiohobby 03:40:22 01/09/07 (2)

Bogus claims... - mkuller 11:38:16 01/09/07 (1)

Re: Bogus claims... - Ozzie 14:49:22 01/11/07 (0)

WOW! Here were have the weiner who likes to whine about snobbery in the hobby giving us - bjh 13:54:13 01/08/07 (2)

The only snob here is you, bj... - Ozzie 15:57:16 01/08/07 (1)

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn. nt - bjh 16:39:37 01/08/07 (0)

Opps ... you've set yourself up the dreaded ... - bjh 12:13:58 01/08/07 (0)

Stand back boys!... He's gonna blow! - bjh 20:02:01 01/07/07 (1)

Have you replaced those low rez speakers yet bjh? - Ozzie 10:31:32 01/08/07 (0)

Question already anticipated and answered--by The Audio Critic. Read the link I gave!!! (nt) - Pat D 14:14:45 01/07/07 (1)

What link? I don't see any link nt - Analog Scott 18:34:31 01/07/07 (0)

Now you get EXACTLY what you've paid for...(nt) - mkuller 11:16:58 01/07/07 (1)

Re: Now you get EXACTLY what you've paid for...(nt) - TomLarson 11:31:48 01/08/07 (0)

10 Biggest lies in Audio, huh? - WinthorpeIII 07:13:36 01/07/07 (3)

Oh, that was always free--one of the Sample Articles. - Pat D 07:22:19 01/07/07 (2)

That's like asking: - Dave Pogue 07:31:22 01/07/07 (1)

:) [nt] - Ted Smith 17:22:10 01/07/07 (0)

Oh, Joy! - cjfrbw 23:14:19 01/06/07 (0)

By George, some things really ARE worth their asking price! (nt) - Dave Pogue 19:41:25 01/06/07 (37)

You can get much of Stereophile and S & V on line free, too. (nt) - Pat D 20:44:33 01/06/07 (36)

Yup. Watch out for arguments from price of pub because everything is cheap or free these days nt - TomLarson 10:11:17 01/09/07 (0)

big quality difference - hifitommy 00:23:25 01/07/07 (34)

Re: big quality difference - Ozzie 13:21:34 01/07/07 (1)

Re: big quality difference - bjh 14:27:45 01/07/07 (0)

Found this amusing tid-bit from a "review" on his site ... - bjh 09:41:42 01/07/07 (27)

Right... - mkuller 11:15:06 01/07/07 (26)

Re: Right... - thetubeguy1954 13:35:23 01/10/07 (4)

Re: Sarcasm obviously... - theaudiohobby 09:05:00 01/12/07 (3)

Re: Sarcasm obviously... - thetubeguy1954 06:51:38 01/15/07 (2)

Re: Sarcasm obviously... - theaudiohobby 09:18:20 01/15/07 (1)

Re: Sarcasm obviously... - thetubeguy1954 10:28:16 01/17/07 (0)

Re: Right... - TomLarson 10:10:00 01/09/07 (0)

Re: Right... - tomservo 13:28:22 01/07/07 (4)

"I think what he is getting at..." Huh? Why not let the guy's words speak for themselves? Read agian ... - bjh 14:14:27 01/07/07 (3)

Re: "I think what he is getting at..." Huh? Why not let the guy's words speak for themselves? Read agian ... - TomLarson 11:37:17 01/09/07 (2)

Just imagine! - bjh 11:56:12 01/09/07 (1)

Re: Just imagine! - TomLarson 16:13:32 01/09/07 (0)

Re: Right... - Pat D 11:52:50 01/07/07 (14)

Pat Why Do You Do This? - thetubeguy1954 14:30:06 01/10/07 (10)

Aczel talked measurement, mkuller talked parts. - Pat D 20:06:49 01/10/07 (9)

Re: Aczel talked measurement, mkuller talked parts. - thetubeguy1954 10:23:23 01/11/07 (8)

Re: Aczel talked measurement, mkuller talked parts. - Pat D 14:53:43 01/11/07 (7)

Re: Aczel talked measurement, mkuller talked parts. - thetubeguy1954 05:51:51 01/12/07 (6)

Re: Aczel talked measurement, mkuller talked parts. - Pat D 07:36:01 01/12/07 (5)

Re: Aczel talked measurement, mkuller talked parts. - thetubeguy1954 11:26:53 01/12/07 (4)

Well, if you give up on the discussion, you won't learn anything. - Pat D 09:25:26 01/13/07 (0)

Re: Aczel talked measurement, mkuller talked parts. - kerr 12:07:05 01/12/07 (2)

Re: Aczel talked measurement, mkuller talked parts. - Pat D 09:26:48 01/13/07 (1)

Re: Aczel talked measurement, mkuller talked parts. - kerr 12:07:50 01/13/07 (0)

So pick two amps... - mkuller 13:17:15 01/07/07 (2)

Ahh, changing your ground, I see. - Pat D 13:46:19 01/07/07 (1)

Re: Ahh, changing your ground, I see. - TomLarson 17:05:10 01/09/07 (0)

Re:True - theaudiohobby 04:10:43 01/07/07 (3)

you have made YOUR choice - hifitommy 10:12:42 01/07/07 (2)

"i have NEVER seen TAC quoted as an authority"--is that what you're looking for? - Pat D 12:29:21 01/07/07 (1)

Re: "i have NEVER seen TAC quoted as an authority"--is that what you're looking for? - theaudiohobby 19:49:27 01/07/07 (0)

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10 Biggest lies in Audio, huh? - WinthorpeIII 07:13:36 01/07/07 (3)

Oh, that was always free--one of the Sample Articles. - Pat D 07:22:19 01/07/07 (2)

That's like asking: - Dave Pogue 07:31:22 01/07/07 (1)

:) [nt] - Ted Smith 17:22:10 01/07/07 (0)