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In Reply to: RE: South Australia is further down that road ..... posted by JDK on July 8, 2024 at 19:08:41:
Yup, batteries are expensive and I too am concerned about lifespan and the toxic shells. We're grandfathered for net-metering for another 10 years, we have time. Hopefully, better and less expensive options will come to market.
Have you heard about V2H, Vehicle to Home? The idea is to use your solar panels to charge your EV. You can then use the EV as a battery source at night. It's not there quite yet as a standard. But if it worked well, I'd consider it. With a $7,500 rebate for an EV, it would be the ticket. Then, I'd not need to buy solar batteries for $15-20K as most EVs have more battery power than two Tesla power walls.
Still, lithium batteries are not a long term solution.
-Rod
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - California now produces more Solar Power than they can use ................. - Cut-Throat 15:53:04 07/08/24 (162)
- RE: California now produces more Solar Power than they can use ................. - nilknarf 07:23:01 07/12/24 (1)
- Well I guess you proved it, Solar Power won't work after all.........nt - Cut-Throat 08:04:32 07/12/24 (0)
- RE: California now produces more Solar Power than they can use ................. - tomservo 08:03:18 07/11/24 (0)
- I need to make the decision to go solar now, today! - jedrider 11:24:32 07/09/24 (21)
- RE: I need to make the decision to go solar now, today! - fredtr 10:50:44 07/10/24 (0)
- I'd love to shade my backyard ... - Feanor 07:40:35 07/10/24 (1)
- I built a pergola, planted grape cuttings, and had nice shade plus grapes NT - Jazz Inmate 20:59:57 07/11/24 (0)
- RE: I need to make the decision to go solar now, today! - AbeCollins 07:33:10 07/10/24 (0)
- I had a not dissimilar situation... - Jim Pearce 06:10:34 07/10/24 (0)
- Go for it. The tax credits and subsidies mean it's on our back, not just yours - Jazz Inmate 19:13:41 07/09/24 (13)
- That you're paying for it, is reason enough n/t - jedrider 04:48:23 07/11/24 (0)
- Fossil fuels get more subsidies than renewables. nt - ghost of olddude55 02:54:02 07/10/24 (11)
- Because they provide for our real energy needs, while solar and wind is a big fraud NT - Jazz Inmate 08:00:39 07/10/24 (10)
- OK, so you like handouts for the stuff you like... - ghost of olddude55 08:18:08 07/10/24 (9)
- It's not handouts. It mostly comes in the form of tax shelters for investment, exploration and production - Jazz Inmate 08:29:53 07/10/24 (8)
- So you're a socialist after all. - ghost of olddude55 08:37:52 07/10/24 (7)
- RE: So you're a socialist after all. - tomservo 10:17:55 07/10/24 (0)
- If you say so - Jazz Inmate 09:30:47 07/10/24 (5)
- What else would you call it? - ghost of olddude55 10:48:44 07/10/24 (4)
- I'd call it the owner of the land incentivizing investment, exploration and production - Jazz Inmate 12:29:06 07/10/24 (3)
- So sunlight is free to everbody .... - JDK 18:00:16 07/10/24 (2)
- Indeed. That's what created the oil under the ground - Jazz Inmate 19:28:04 07/10/24 (1)
- The real problem is big corporations and utility companies..... - AbeCollins 22:58:01 07/10/24 (0)
- RE: I need to make the decision to go solar now, today! - Cut-Throat 11:43:13 07/09/24 (1)
- RE: I need to make the decision to go solar now, today! - Krav Maga 15:30:20 07/09/24 (0)
- I'd have solar panels on the roof right now if not for the WAF. - ghost of olddude55 03:33:39 07/09/24 (81)
- we took the "Mullet" approach, you know? - mhardy6647 11:24:04 07/09/24 (8)
- Nice "Mullet" and good orientation ! - AbeCollins 06:54:53 07/10/24 (7)
- What is the time horizon for breakeven with your installation? - E-Stat 09:52:26 07/10/24 (6)
- Was about 9 years. Shorter now.... - AbeCollins 10:07:27 07/10/24 (5)
- That's too long for me - E-Stat 10:24:35 07/10/24 (4)
- Every purchase has it's opportunity cost... - AbeCollins 10:39:18 07/10/24 (3)
- Thanks for the info - E-Stat 11:19:48 07/10/24 (2)
- RE: Thanks for the info - Rod M 11:39:31 07/10/24 (1)
- RE: Thanks for the info - AbeCollins 22:45:02 07/10/24 (0)
- Ever tried selling a home with solar cells? - Victor Khomenko 10:08:32 07/09/24 (62)
- Where's the data to back your claim ? - AbeCollins 17:35:19 07/09/24 (23)
- Pretty popular in our neighborhood, too. - ghost of olddude55 02:55:20 07/10/24 (0)
- From reading some real estate agents discussions. - Victor Khomenko 18:44:03 07/09/24 (17)
- RE: From reading some real estate agents discussions. - AbeCollins 06:44:49 07/10/24 (16)
- Roofs leak... but... - Victor Khomenko 07:18:35 07/10/24 (2)
- So many problems to consider..... - AbeCollins 07:44:35 07/10/24 (1)
- Well, you asked... - Victor Khomenko 07:50:41 07/10/24 (0)
- "The better panels have 25 year warranties." does that include labor? /nt - Story 07:18:04 07/10/24 (12)
- Depends...... - AbeCollins 07:40:02 07/10/24 (11)
- And now... the details. It is a bit more complicated. - Victor Khomenko 07:55:50 07/10/24 (10)
- Pretty obvious consumer concerns... - AbeCollins 10:16:45 07/10/24 (3)
- What is "car warranty"? - Victor Khomenko 03:43:37 07/11/24 (2)
- O.T. -- Speaking of warranties. How about audio gear..... - AbeCollins 18:34:12 07/11/24 (1)
- But imagine... - Victor Khomenko 04:23:15 07/12/24 (0)
- "warranties that cover labor up to a specified dollar amount" - Story 08:03:14 07/10/24 (5)
- There are many instances of fly-by-night solar companies that do not provide warranty service when you need it - Jazz Inmate 08:35:12 07/10/24 (4)
- Many instances of fly-by-night companies in any industry.... - AbeCollins 10:14:41 07/10/24 (1)
- Ok, but the government shouldn't award them $500 million - Jazz Inmate 10:35:57 07/10/24 (0)
- and of course, just like the sewer pump maker who installed ours - Story 08:59:27 07/10/24 (1)
- RE: and of course, just like the sewer pump maker who installed ours - Jazz Inmate 10:00:31 07/10/24 (0)
- RE: Where's the data to back your claim ? - JDK 17:48:12 07/09/24 (3)
- RE: Where's the data to back your claim ? - Rod M 18:15:30 07/09/24 (2)
- RE: Where's the data to back your claim ? - AbeCollins 06:49:52 07/10/24 (1)
- RE: Where's the data to back your claim ? - Rod M 07:17:17 07/10/24 (0)
- We kept our kitchen and bathroom original to the house. - ghost of olddude55 13:12:59 07/09/24 (2)
- A 1955 style kitched... a pool and solar cells - Victor Khomenko 13:33:59 07/09/24 (1)
- Which would put the value about 2.5 times more than we paid for it ten years ago. - ghost of olddude55 13:45:48 07/09/24 (0)
- Pools, I get....not solar - Rod M 13:11:25 07/09/24 (15)
- We continue to enjoy ours - E-Stat 01:12:37 07/10/24 (0)
- Well, It was either do this, or fill it in! - Barry 16:35:59 07/09/24 (2)
- I'd never buy a house with a pool. - ghost of olddude55 14:20:43 07/09/24 (3)
- The pool was fun for about 6 years after we bought it - Victor Khomenko 16:07:16 07/09/24 (2)
- My brother and I bought a pool for the family... - ghost of olddude55 03:23:10 07/10/24 (1)
- RE: My brother and I bought a pool for the family... - srdavis2000 17:26:13 07/10/24 (0)
- 6.7 per kWh here and homes with solar still go for more money. nt - hcman 13:41:02 07/09/24 (0)
- "Wheel barrow" he said... :) - Victor Khomenko 13:40:07 07/09/24 (5)
- Did you bury that pool? - Rod M 14:25:02 07/09/24 (4)
- Yes, we did... after about 15 years. - Victor Khomenko 16:04:30 07/09/24 (3)
- RE: Yes, we did... after about 15 years. - Rod M 18:05:29 07/09/24 (2)
- A Californian with no pool is... - Victor Khomenko 18:41:17 07/09/24 (1)
- Arizona - fredtr 10:59:36 07/10/24 (0)
- Good analogy. As time goes by and the subsidies that made them attractive become a distant memory... - Jazz Inmate 11:07:24 07/09/24 (18)
- RE: Good analogy. As time goes by and the subsidies that made them attractive become a distant memory... - AbeCollins 17:39:33 07/09/24 (5)
- There is never a zero - Victor Khomenko 18:48:53 07/09/24 (4)
- RE: There is never a zero - AbeCollins 06:59:04 07/10/24 (3)
- I am sure you realize this is regressive taxation - Victor Khomenko 07:29:11 07/10/24 (2)
- Do I care ? - AbeCollins 10:19:35 07/10/24 (1)
- I do. - Victor Khomenko 11:28:22 07/10/24 (0)
- But as the subsidies and write-offs have gone down. . . - Chris from Lafayette 11:16:25 07/09/24 (11)
- Gas, oil, and coal are all subsidized by taxpayers and have been for a century at least. - ghost of olddude55 13:14:32 07/09/24 (8)
- "It's not a level playing field and never has been" You're right about that - Jazz Inmate 16:20:23 07/09/24 (0)
- RE: Gas, oil, and coal are all subsidized by taxpayers and have been for a century at least. - tomservo 15:16:33 07/09/24 (6)
- "Oil depletion allowance" tax law (nt) - Steve O 16:12:17 07/09/24 (5)
- RE: "Oil depletion allowance" tax law (nt) - tomservo 16:25:10 07/09/24 (4)
- Net result is the same - Steve O 18:52:03 07/09/24 (3)
- RE: Net result is the same - tomservo 06:00:39 07/10/24 (2)
- And yet considering the case you make - Steve O 08:23:30 07/10/24 (1)
- Actually it has the opposite effect - nilknarf 08:35:57 07/10/24 (0)
- RE: But as the subsidies and write-offs have gone down. . . - Jazz Inmate 12:25:59 07/09/24 (1)
- RE: But as the subsidies and write-offs have gone down. . . - tomservo 07:35:31 07/10/24 (0)
- It's like bolting solar panel on the top of your vintage car to power the radio - Wojciech 09:14:10 07/09/24 (7)
- Generation Z will soon understand this to be the biggest scam since snake oil - Jazz Inmate 10:06:34 07/09/24 (6)
- EVs too? - hcman 13:08:30 07/09/24 (1)
- RE: EVs too? - Jazz Inmate 18:49:46 07/09/24 (0)
- You are the perfect example of my original post. When in doubt launch a consipracy theory .......nt - Cut-Throat 11:47:17 07/09/24 (2)
- Especially via dragging China (trendy ultimate villain) into it... N/T - musetap 18:22:08 07/09/24 (1)
- It's a conspiracy theory that China makes tons of solar panels and EVs? - Jazz Inmate 19:22:27 07/11/24 (0)
- Scam? - Chris from Lafayette 11:09:26 07/09/24 (0)
- Same here. - hcman 09:07:04 07/09/24 (0)
- RE: California now produces more Solar Power than they can use ................. - tweaker456 19:51:22 07/08/24 (0)
- South Australia is further down that road ..... - JDK 18:29:33 07/08/24 (29)
- 1.7 million population ? Does it even count? - Wojciech 09:24:36 07/09/24 (2)
- Easily scalable if everybody joins in ...... - JDK 14:55:42 07/09/24 (0)
- RE: 1.7 million population ? Does it even count? - tomservo 12:34:40 07/09/24 (0)
- I looked into battery backup... - Jim Pearce 06:46:52 07/09/24 (2)
- RE: I looked into battery backup... - fredtr 11:14:13 07/10/24 (0)
- RE: I looked into battery backup... - JDK 14:52:30 07/09/24 (0)
- RE: South Australia is further down that road ..... - Rod M 18:46:41 07/08/24 (21)
- And neither country is - E-Stat 01:45:11 07/09/24 (15)
- "China . . . Is building more conventional (fission based) nuclear power plants than any other country" - Steve O 16:08:45 07/09/24 (14)
- And? - E-Stat 23:22:19 07/09/24 (13)
- Perspective! (nt) - Steve O 04:51:50 07/10/24 (12)
- Lacking proportion and longevity - E-Stat 05:36:03 07/10/24 (3)
- McDonald's feeds a significant portion of the worlds population every day (nt) - Steve O 08:27:07 07/10/24 (2)
- Get back to energy - E-Stat 09:15:02 07/10/24 (1)
- China still has to move the population of USA size (300mil) from a dump to cities - Wojciech 09:32:09 07/10/24 (0)
- so what is this article Fission or Fusion? There's a huge difference /nt - Story 04:57:34 07/10/24 (7)
- The WSJ article is mainly about fusion - Steve O 08:43:49 07/10/24 (6)
- you're obviously a lover of China - Story 13:35:05 07/10/24 (5)
- You obviously draw incorrect conclusions - Steve O 14:51:07 07/10/24 (4)
- I see plenty of reasons to not believe you and the WSJ - Story 15:01:09 07/10/24 (3)
- "Plenty" = at least 5 reasons. Care to reveal 3? ;-) (nt) - Steve O 15:12:45 07/10/24 (2)
- I only need one - The Law of Accident - Story 16:38:44 07/10/24 (1)
- That's not very likely (nt) - Steve O 18:36:04 07/10/24 (0)
- RE: South Australia is further down that road ..... - JDK 19:08:41 07/08/24 (4)
- still... - Jim Pearce 09:03:08 07/09/24 (1)
- RE: still... - JDK 15:24:44 07/10/24 (0)
- RE: South Australia is further down that road ..... - Rod M 20:15:32 07/08/24 (1)
- RE: South Australia is further down that road ..... - JDK 21:33:38 07/08/24 (0)
- RE: South Australia is further down that road ..... - JDK 18:43:39 07/08/24 (0)
- Silly click bait article........... - Rod M 17:50:24 07/08/24 (21)
- Still viable here in Colorado.... for now - AbeCollins 22:03:50 07/08/24 (5)
- RE: Still viable here in Colorado.... for now - Rod M 08:42:58 07/09/24 (4)
- RE: Still viable here in Colorado.... for now - AbeCollins 07:17:21 07/10/24 (3)
- RE: Still viable here in Colorado.... for now - Rod M 07:43:32 07/10/24 (2)
- RE: Still viable here in Colorado.... for now - AbeCollins 10:30:25 07/10/24 (1)
- RE: Still viable here in Colorado.... for now - Rod M 11:36:59 07/10/24 (0)
- California has become like a huge HOA - www.records 19:56:50 07/08/24 (0)
- The article later clarifies that most wasted energy is solar and the upshot is that electricity prices... - Jazz Inmate 18:40:36 07/08/24 (7)
- RE: The article later clarifies that most wasted energy is solar and the upshot is that electricity prices... - tomservo 09:09:52 07/09/24 (0)
- you're long whale oil. we got it...--nt - elblanco 19:50:30 07/08/24 (0)
- Yes, there are additional problems that will eventually be solved ........ - Cut-Throat 18:43:32 07/08/24 (4)
- Sure, right. We'll solve those any day now. Let's just go another $50 trillion in debt - Jazz Inmate 20:48:36 07/08/24 (3)
- There is a place for everything. At present rich futurists are draining the pockets - Wojciech 07:28:53 07/09/24 (2)
- I'll make you a deal Woj. - ghost of olddude55 13:09:28 07/09/24 (1)
- Fair enough :) - Wojciech 15:25:16 07/09/24 (0)
- It was on the NBC News tonight............... - Cut-Throat 17:55:22 07/08/24 (5)
- RE: It was on the NBC News tonight............... - Rod M 18:23:53 07/08/24 (4)
- Rod, may i ask how much you have invested in your solar? Nt - www.records 05:32:23 07/09/24 (3)
- A lot.... - Rod M 07:56:18 07/09/24 (2)
- RE: A lot.... - www.records 13:16:14 07/09/24 (1)
- RE: A lot.... - Rod M 14:16:14 07/09/24 (0)
- That's pretty good - jedrider 17:44:42 07/08/24 (0)
- Change is muy difficult for people... - musetap 16:57:13 07/08/24 (0)
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- RE: South Australia is further down that road ..... - Rod M 20:15:32 07/08/24 (1)
- RE: South Australia is further down that road ..... - JDK 21:33:38 07/08/24 (0)
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