RE: Gas, oil, and coal are all subsidized by taxpayers and have been for a century at least.

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Topic - California now produces more Solar Power than they can use ................. - Cut-Throat 15:53:04 07/08/24 (162)

RE: California now produces more Solar Power than they can use ................. - nilknarf 07:23:01 07/12/24 (1)

Well I guess you proved it, Solar Power won't work after all.........nt - Cut-Throat 08:04:32 07/12/24 (0)

RE: California now produces more Solar Power than they can use ................. - tomservo 08:03:18 07/11/24 (0)

I need to make the decision to go solar now, today! - jedrider 11:24:32 07/09/24 (21)

RE: I need to make the decision to go solar now, today! - fredtr 10:50:44 07/10/24 (0)

I'd love to shade my backyard ... - Feanor 07:40:35 07/10/24 (1)

I built a pergola, planted grape cuttings, and had nice shade plus grapes NT - Jazz Inmate 20:59:57 07/11/24 (0)

RE: I need to make the decision to go solar now, today! - AbeCollins 07:33:10 07/10/24 (0)

I had a not dissimilar situation... - Jim Pearce 06:10:34 07/10/24 (0)

Go for it. The tax credits and subsidies mean it's on our back, not just yours - Jazz Inmate 19:13:41 07/09/24 (13)

That you're paying for it, is reason enough n/t - jedrider 04:48:23 07/11/24 (0)

Fossil fuels get more subsidies than renewables. nt - ghost of olddude55 02:54:02 07/10/24 (11)

Because they provide for our real energy needs, while solar and wind is a big fraud NT - Jazz Inmate 08:00:39 07/10/24 (10)

OK, so you like handouts for the stuff you like... - ghost of olddude55 08:18:08 07/10/24 (9)

It's not handouts. It mostly comes in the form of tax shelters for investment, exploration and production - Jazz Inmate 08:29:53 07/10/24 (8)

So you're a socialist after all. - ghost of olddude55 08:37:52 07/10/24 (7)

RE: So you're a socialist after all. - tomservo 10:17:55 07/10/24 (0)

If you say so - Jazz Inmate 09:30:47 07/10/24 (5)

What else would you call it? - ghost of olddude55 10:48:44 07/10/24 (4)

I'd call it the owner of the land incentivizing investment, exploration and production - Jazz Inmate 12:29:06 07/10/24 (3)

So sunlight is free to everbody .... - JDK 18:00:16 07/10/24 (2)

Indeed. That's what created the oil under the ground - Jazz Inmate 19:28:04 07/10/24 (1)

The real problem is big corporations and utility companies..... - AbeCollins 22:58:01 07/10/24 (0)

RE: I need to make the decision to go solar now, today! - Cut-Throat 11:43:13 07/09/24 (1)

RE: I need to make the decision to go solar now, today! - Krav Maga 15:30:20 07/09/24 (0)

I'd have solar panels on the roof right now if not for the WAF. - ghost of olddude55 03:33:39 07/09/24 (81)

we took the "Mullet" approach, you know? - mhardy6647 11:24:04 07/09/24 (8)

Nice "Mullet" and good orientation ! - AbeCollins 06:54:53 07/10/24 (7)

What is the time horizon for breakeven with your installation? - E-Stat 09:52:26 07/10/24 (6)

Was about 9 years. Shorter now.... - AbeCollins 10:07:27 07/10/24 (5)

That's too long for me - E-Stat 10:24:35 07/10/24 (4)

Every purchase has it's opportunity cost... - AbeCollins 10:39:18 07/10/24 (3)

Thanks for the info - E-Stat 11:19:48 07/10/24 (2)

RE: Thanks for the info - Rod M 11:39:31 07/10/24 (1)

RE: Thanks for the info - AbeCollins 22:45:02 07/10/24 (0)

Ever tried selling a home with solar cells? - Victor Khomenko 10:08:32 07/09/24 (62)

Where's the data to back your claim ? - AbeCollins 17:35:19 07/09/24 (23)

Pretty popular in our neighborhood, too. - ghost of olddude55 02:55:20 07/10/24 (0)

From reading some real estate agents discussions. - Victor Khomenko 18:44:03 07/09/24 (17)

RE: From reading some real estate agents discussions. - AbeCollins 06:44:49 07/10/24 (16)

Roofs leak... but... - Victor Khomenko 07:18:35 07/10/24 (2)

So many problems to consider..... - AbeCollins 07:44:35 07/10/24 (1)

Well, you asked... - Victor Khomenko 07:50:41 07/10/24 (0)

"The better panels have 25 year warranties." does that include labor? /nt - Story 07:18:04 07/10/24 (12)

Depends...... - AbeCollins 07:40:02 07/10/24 (11)

And now... the details. It is a bit more complicated. - Victor Khomenko 07:55:50 07/10/24 (10)

Pretty obvious consumer concerns... - AbeCollins 10:16:45 07/10/24 (3)

What is "car warranty"? - Victor Khomenko 03:43:37 07/11/24 (2)

O.T. -- Speaking of warranties. How about audio gear..... - AbeCollins 18:34:12 07/11/24 (1)

But imagine... - Victor Khomenko 04:23:15 07/12/24 (0)

"warranties that cover labor up to a specified dollar amount" - Story 08:03:14 07/10/24 (5)

There are many instances of fly-by-night solar companies that do not provide warranty service when you need it - Jazz Inmate 08:35:12 07/10/24 (4)

Many instances of fly-by-night companies in any industry.... - AbeCollins 10:14:41 07/10/24 (1)

Ok, but the government shouldn't award them $500 million - Jazz Inmate 10:35:57 07/10/24 (0)

and of course, just like the sewer pump maker who installed ours - Story 08:59:27 07/10/24 (1)

RE: and of course, just like the sewer pump maker who installed ours - Jazz Inmate 10:00:31 07/10/24 (0)

RE: Where's the data to back your claim ? - JDK 17:48:12 07/09/24 (3)

RE: Where's the data to back your claim ? - Rod M 18:15:30 07/09/24 (2)

RE: Where's the data to back your claim ? - AbeCollins 06:49:52 07/10/24 (1)

RE: Where's the data to back your claim ? - Rod M 07:17:17 07/10/24 (0)

We kept our kitchen and bathroom original to the house. - ghost of olddude55 13:12:59 07/09/24 (2)

A 1955 style kitched... a pool and solar cells - Victor Khomenko 13:33:59 07/09/24 (1)

Which would put the value about 2.5 times more than we paid for it ten years ago. - ghost of olddude55 13:45:48 07/09/24 (0)

Pools, I get....not solar - Rod M 13:11:25 07/09/24 (15)

We continue to enjoy ours - E-Stat 01:12:37 07/10/24 (0)

Well, It was either do this, or fill it in! - Barry 16:35:59 07/09/24 (2)

Nice! - Rod M 18:39:53 07/09/24 (1)

RE: Nice! - Barry 08:25:48 07/10/24 (0)

I'd never buy a house with a pool. - ghost of olddude55 14:20:43 07/09/24 (3)

The pool was fun for about 6 years after we bought it - Victor Khomenko 16:07:16 07/09/24 (2)

My brother and I bought a pool for the family... - ghost of olddude55 03:23:10 07/10/24 (1)

RE: My brother and I bought a pool for the family... - srdavis2000 17:26:13 07/10/24 (0)

6.7 per kWh here and homes with solar still go for more money. nt - hcman 13:41:02 07/09/24 (0)

"Wheel barrow" he said... :) - Victor Khomenko 13:40:07 07/09/24 (5)

Did you bury that pool? - Rod M 14:25:02 07/09/24 (4)

Yes, we did... after about 15 years. - Victor Khomenko 16:04:30 07/09/24 (3)

RE: Yes, we did... after about 15 years. - Rod M 18:05:29 07/09/24 (2)

A Californian with no pool is... - Victor Khomenko 18:41:17 07/09/24 (1)

Arizona - fredtr 10:59:36 07/10/24 (0)

Good analogy. As time goes by and the subsidies that made them attractive become a distant memory... - Jazz Inmate 11:07:24 07/09/24 (18)

RE: Good analogy. As time goes by and the subsidies that made them attractive become a distant memory... - AbeCollins 17:39:33 07/09/24 (5)

There is never a zero - Victor Khomenko 18:48:53 07/09/24 (4)

RE: There is never a zero - AbeCollins 06:59:04 07/10/24 (3)

I am sure you realize this is regressive taxation - Victor Khomenko 07:29:11 07/10/24 (2)

Do I care ? - AbeCollins 10:19:35 07/10/24 (1)

I do. - Victor Khomenko 11:28:22 07/10/24 (0)

But as the subsidies and write-offs have gone down. . . - Chris from Lafayette 11:16:25 07/09/24 (11)

Gas, oil, and coal are all subsidized by taxpayers and have been for a century at least. - ghost of olddude55 13:14:32 07/09/24 (8)

"It's not a level playing field and never has been" You're right about that - Jazz Inmate 16:20:23 07/09/24 (0)

RE: Gas, oil, and coal are all subsidized by taxpayers and have been for a century at least. - tomservo 15:16:33 07/09/24 (6)

"Oil depletion allowance" tax law (nt) - Steve O 16:12:17 07/09/24 (5)

RE: "Oil depletion allowance" tax law (nt) - tomservo 16:25:10 07/09/24 (4)

Net result is the same - Steve O 18:52:03 07/09/24 (3)

RE: Net result is the same - tomservo 06:00:39 07/10/24 (2)

And yet considering the case you make - Steve O 08:23:30 07/10/24 (1)

Actually it has the opposite effect - nilknarf 08:35:57 07/10/24 (0)

RE: But as the subsidies and write-offs have gone down. . . - Jazz Inmate 12:25:59 07/09/24 (1)

RE: But as the subsidies and write-offs have gone down. . . - tomservo 07:35:31 07/10/24 (0)

It's like bolting solar panel on the top of your vintage car to power the radio - Wojciech 09:14:10 07/09/24 (7)

Generation Z will soon understand this to be the biggest scam since snake oil - Jazz Inmate 10:06:34 07/09/24 (6)

EVs too? - hcman 13:08:30 07/09/24 (1)

RE: EVs too? - Jazz Inmate 18:49:46 07/09/24 (0)

You are the perfect example of my original post. When in doubt launch a consipracy theory .......nt - Cut-Throat 11:47:17 07/09/24 (2)

Especially via dragging China (trendy ultimate villain) into it... N/T - musetap 18:22:08 07/09/24 (1)

It's a conspiracy theory that China makes tons of solar panels and EVs? - Jazz Inmate 19:22:27 07/11/24 (0)

Scam? - Chris from Lafayette 11:09:26 07/09/24 (0)

Same here. - hcman 09:07:04 07/09/24 (0)

RE: California now produces more Solar Power than they can use ................. - tweaker456 19:51:22 07/08/24 (0)

South Australia is further down that road ..... - JDK 18:29:33 07/08/24 (29)

1.7 million population ? Does it even count? - Wojciech 09:24:36 07/09/24 (2)

Easily scalable if everybody joins in ...... - JDK 14:55:42 07/09/24 (0)

RE: 1.7 million population ? Does it even count? - tomservo 12:34:40 07/09/24 (0)

I looked into battery backup... - Jim Pearce 06:46:52 07/09/24 (2)

RE: I looked into battery backup... - fredtr 11:14:13 07/10/24 (0)

RE: I looked into battery backup... - JDK 14:52:30 07/09/24 (0)

RE: South Australia is further down that road ..... - Rod M 18:46:41 07/08/24 (21)

And neither country is - E-Stat 01:45:11 07/09/24 (15)

"China . . . Is building more conventional (fission based) nuclear power plants than any other country" - Steve O 16:08:45 07/09/24 (14)

And? - E-Stat 23:22:19 07/09/24 (13)

Perspective! (nt) - Steve O 04:51:50 07/10/24 (12)

Lacking proportion and longevity - E-Stat 05:36:03 07/10/24 (3)

McDonald's feeds a significant portion of the worlds population every day (nt) - Steve O 08:27:07 07/10/24 (2)

Get back to energy - E-Stat 09:15:02 07/10/24 (1)

China still has to move the population of USA size (300mil) from a dump to cities - Wojciech 09:32:09 07/10/24 (0)

so what is this article Fission or Fusion? There's a huge difference /nt - Story 04:57:34 07/10/24 (7)

The WSJ article is mainly about fusion - Steve O 08:43:49 07/10/24 (6)

you're obviously a lover of China - Story 13:35:05 07/10/24 (5)

You obviously draw incorrect conclusions - Steve O 14:51:07 07/10/24 (4)

I see plenty of reasons to not believe you and the WSJ - Story 15:01:09 07/10/24 (3)

"Plenty" = at least 5 reasons. Care to reveal 3? ;-) (nt) - Steve O 15:12:45 07/10/24 (2)

I only need one - The Law of Accident - Story 16:38:44 07/10/24 (1)

That's not very likely (nt) - Steve O 18:36:04 07/10/24 (0)

RE: South Australia is further down that road ..... - JDK 19:08:41 07/08/24 (4)

still... - Jim Pearce 09:03:08 07/09/24 (1)

RE: still... - JDK 15:24:44 07/10/24 (0)

RE: South Australia is further down that road ..... - Rod M 20:15:32 07/08/24 (1)

RE: South Australia is further down that road ..... - JDK 21:33:38 07/08/24 (0)

RE: South Australia is further down that road ..... - JDK 18:43:39 07/08/24 (0)

Silly click bait article........... - Rod M 17:50:24 07/08/24 (21)

Still viable here in Colorado.... for now - AbeCollins 22:03:50 07/08/24 (5)

RE: Still viable here in Colorado.... for now - Rod M 08:42:58 07/09/24 (4)

RE: Still viable here in Colorado.... for now - AbeCollins 07:17:21 07/10/24 (3)

RE: Still viable here in Colorado.... for now - Rod M 07:43:32 07/10/24 (2)

RE: Still viable here in Colorado.... for now - AbeCollins 10:30:25 07/10/24 (1)

RE: Still viable here in Colorado.... for now - Rod M 11:36:59 07/10/24 (0)

California has become like a huge HOA - www.records 19:56:50 07/08/24 (0)

The article later clarifies that most wasted energy is solar and the upshot is that electricity prices... - Jazz Inmate 18:40:36 07/08/24 (7)

RE: The article later clarifies that most wasted energy is solar and the upshot is that electricity prices... - tomservo 09:09:52 07/09/24 (0)

you're long whale oil. we got it...--nt - elblanco 19:50:30 07/08/24 (0)

Yes, there are additional problems that will eventually be solved ........ - Cut-Throat 18:43:32 07/08/24 (4)

Sure, right. We'll solve those any day now. Let's just go another $50 trillion in debt - Jazz Inmate 20:48:36 07/08/24 (3)

There is a place for everything. At present rich futurists are draining the pockets - Wojciech 07:28:53 07/09/24 (2)

I'll make you a deal Woj. - ghost of olddude55 13:09:28 07/09/24 (1)

Fair enough :) - Wojciech 15:25:16 07/09/24 (0)

It was on the NBC News tonight............... - Cut-Throat 17:55:22 07/08/24 (5)

RE: It was on the NBC News tonight............... - Rod M 18:23:53 07/08/24 (4)

Rod, may i ask how much you have invested in your solar? Nt - www.records 05:32:23 07/09/24 (3)

A lot.... - Rod M 07:56:18 07/09/24 (2)

RE: A lot.... - www.records 13:16:14 07/09/24 (1)

RE: A lot.... - Rod M 14:16:14 07/09/24 (0)

That's pretty good - jedrider 17:44:42 07/08/24 (0)

Change is muy difficult for people... - musetap 16:57:13 07/08/24 (0)

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RE: Gas, oil, and coal are all subsidized by taxpayers and have been for a century at least. - tomservo 15:16:33 07/09/24 (6)

"Oil depletion allowance" tax law (nt) - Steve O 16:12:17 07/09/24 (5)

RE: "Oil depletion allowance" tax law (nt) - tomservo 16:25:10 07/09/24 (4)

Net result is the same - Steve O 18:52:03 07/09/24 (3)

RE: Net result is the same - tomservo 06:00:39 07/10/24 (2)

And yet considering the case you make - Steve O 08:23:30 07/10/24 (1)

Actually it has the opposite effect - nilknarf 08:35:57 07/10/24 (0)

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