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Thanks for the Clarification.....

Posted by Todd Krieger (A) on December 28, 2006 at 18:20:47

In Reply to: You've replaced one misconception with another posted by Roscoe East on December 28, 2006 at 14:33:40:

I'm new with this, and correction of any kind is appreciated.

I did get to listen to Rush's "Digital Man".... I think what Peart did, between the first and second verses, was use the kick pedals as a rhythmic foundation, and atop that played the snare in 4/4 together with a cymbal in 3/4. I've seen mostly examples of polyrhythm between the pedal and both hands, but Peart is adept between left and right hands. And the effect is more apparent. It's about as close to a truly-separated polyrhythm (which I was originally looking for) as I've come across from a single drummer. But in reality the pedals coordinated the whole thing.

There is also a song by Camel called "Captured" ("Nude" album) which drummer Andy ward plays triplets with what sounds like random "double hits" on the cymbal. Although unlike Peart, the snare just alternates with the cymbal. But that effect is impressive as well. I just think cymbal triplets in a 6/8 or 12/8 beat adds an interesting dimension to the music, yet I'm kind of surprised that it's not done by more drummers. Even when not in a polyrhythmic format. (Carl Palmer also does triplets like Ward- A brief occurrence on the linked clip. The only example I've come across on YouTube.)

Now that I'm familiar with this, it seems like I have a much better idea on how drummers differ from each other. And how they and the band interface. I think I listen more for an "inner refinement", but also a variation in style. Although I'm more familiar with Tool's structure, its style seems to have little variance, even though the beat patterns themselves vary greatly. Danny Carey's weakness is being out of his comfort zone doing simpler styles, exposing a suspect sense of timing. If I sensed a "weakness" in Peart, it's maybe a lack of delicacy (it's most-apparent with jazz), and maybe a reluctance to occasionally "go simple." Zak Starkey has all the goods too, but maybe needs to become more aware of specific moments in certain songs ("You Better You Bet").

But all are fabulous fits for their current bands.

The best part of this is I think I've gotten a better understanding of differing opinion, in this subject matter. Not to mention an even greater appreciation of the impact a drummer can have on a rock band.

• Carl Palmer   (Open in New Window)

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