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Posted by Newey (A) on October 29, 2015 at 20:45:49

In Reply to: "The old school scholars and critcs (sic) - all of them, to a man - with out a SINGLE EXCEPTION posted by jdaniel@jps.net on October 29, 2015 at 08:47:08:

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There you go again, getting the whole thing WRONG.

You've COMPLETELY missed my point.

That's NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT what I was talking about.

How can you keep being WRONG every time?

'Scuse me, but I didn't say ONE WORD about "Romantic composers' premieres"? Where'd you git that from?

>>It's a rookie move to assume that Romantic composers' premieres received only hostile reviews.<<

You're so intent on catching me making some kind of error, that you're tripping over yourself shooting at me. I didn't say ONE WORD about 19th century premiers. I wasn't referring to critical - or audience - reception at premiers, or during the composer's lifetime, or during the 19th century at all. In my post, all of the words and paragraphs above the sentence you've quoted and after CLEARLY discuss 20th century scholarly and critical analysis of 19th century music. You have to be DENSE not to understand that.

In fact, delving into actual 19th century history is just that - serious assed historical research. A little bit of internet clipping doesn't even begin to scratch the surface. That's why there're such things as whole university-level historical research departments employing professional musicologists and professional historials who engage in such research. I actually have a bit of training in that sort of thing, so I know the what a monumental task it is.

Be that as it may, what I was talking about was the 20th century attitude on the part of musicologists and critics toward the 19th century, particularly after WWII. If you'd actually read my posts, rather than just skimming and picking out a sentence or phrase as you seem to usually do [and actually, I doubt that you're even reading this far right here], then you'd have seen that I took pains to specify 20th century writings. Here's an example:

"In the endless tomes produced during the 20th century, the attitude veers from hostility to flat out war-like aggression and anger aimed at Romantic composers - "

See that?? See that???? "..during the 20th century...".

'Ja git that part? TWENTIETH CENTURY. Git it?

That'd be the century starting with a 19xx, NOT 18xx. We're in the 21st century now, by the way, and the numbers start with 20xx, as in "2015". You may have to think about that for a while.

I also said "Most folks [at least those around here] haven't spent years of their short lives pouring over books of music analysis and history...".

That was my way of saying that I've done exactly that. Having done all of that, I can tell you that, over and over, book after book, article after article, one finds nothing but, well, hostility towards anything after Beethoven and prior to hardcore serialism - FROM 20th CENTURY ANALSYTS [jeez]. The more snippy musicologists don't even regard Schoenberg's atonal phase as anything much more than extreme, hyper-late-Romantic chromatism. That's how viscious those bozos were. And, there're plenty of them still around in academia today, just as there're plenty of neo-commies [and dried-up, bitter ancient commies] hanging around.

But, you managed to miss my point entirely. By a solar mile. Are you still reading this far? Concentrate now - focus, dude, focus.

What I was talking about was how 20th century musicologists analyzed the use of sonata forms during the 19th century, especially the late Romatic period. Even today, they savage it. The reason is that 19th century composers had to twist, turn, expand, and METAMORPHOSE the form to make it work for them. I said all of that SPECIFICALLY.

How'd you miss it?

Go back and re-read my post. OTOH, don't. Don't bother. It won't sink in. You seem to suffer from poor reading comprehension and/or limited attention span. Seriously. I'm not just taking a shot at you here. It's been a pattern. You seem to just land on one sentence or another in a post, and you go crazy with that. It may sound uncivil - some have warned me about it, but the evidence is becoming really clear. I think you've got some sort of - trying to be polite here - cognitive deficit. Not my problemo, but it affects me when you use your personal issues to try to disparage me and what I post.


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