In Reply to: "That's what Chris wrote, and he's 100% correct." Wow! posted by jdaniel@jps.net on October 28, 2015 at 09:09:05:
. . . is that, often, one can't be 100% certain that a given analysis is even correct, especially the further one goes into the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. The famous example of this is Wagner's "Tristan Chord" (highlighted below - from the Wikipedia article), which in itself does not form an actual chord (at least in terms of traditional structural harmony): what we hear as the "Tristan Chord" is actually a standard pre-dominant augmented sixth chord (the augmented sixth being the interval from the F-natural to the D-sharp), but with an appoggiatura (the G-sharp) which resolves to the actual chord tone at the very end of the bar - the A-natural - which passes by quickly (almost as if it were a passing tone rather than the actual chord tone!). (BTW, I don't agree with the part of the Wikipedia article that calls the G-sharp a suspension. If the G-sharp is a suspension, what's it suspended from?) It's the same with the following "chord" at the start of the third measure: the A-sharp. which seems to be part of the "chord", is just another appoggiatura, and the following B-natural is the resolution to the actual chord tone. That second chord thus becomes a familiar E7 chord, implying that the key is A-minor, although Wagner does not allow us to hear a resolution at this point. The "Tristan Chord" deceived many listeners, because it's held for so long that they thought it was an actual chord, rather than part of a chord, with that little eighth-note that follows being the actual component of it.
BTW, I apologize - I realize I'm not telling you anything you probably don't already know, but I wanted to make the point that harmonic analysis is not a cut and dried methodology by any means, and is often subject to different points of view (and arguments!).
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- The whole issue with music analysis. . . - Chris from Lafayette 10:02:17 10/28/15 (19)
- Illuminating - Newey 21:30:57 10/28/15 (10)
- "The old school scholars and critcs (sic) - all of them, to a man - with out a SINGLE EXCEPTION - jdaniel@jps.net 08:47:08 10/29/15 (9)
- **WRONG WRONG **DING DONG** WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG - Newey 20:45:49 10/29/15 (8)
- "It's staggering to consider that nobody's ever challenged that academic view. EXCEPT ME." - jdaniel@jps.net 21:06:20 10/29/15 (7)
- Your Knowledge Of Critical & Academic 20th Cent Trends - Newey 22:40:11 10/29/15 (6)
- Sigh. You said, "EXCEPT ME." (Your caps.) Really? Except you? - jdaniel@jps.net 07:48:18 10/30/15 (5)
- This Is Like Teaching A Slow Learner - Newey 20:00:26 10/30/15 (1)
- Indeed.... - jdaniel@jps.net 07:20:03 10/31/15 (0)
- You Sound Just Like A Holocaust Denier - Newey 19:23:49 10/30/15 (2)
- This Thread Is No Longer Constructive - Shuting it Down - No Further Posts Coming - Newey 19:49:48 10/30/15 (1)
- Could you be a dear and identify this tune for me? I just can't put my finger on it - jdaniel@jps.net 01:10:42 10/31/15 (0)
- Coitus Interruptus Dammitus! I forgot about Tristan, the most famous tonic-tease of all time - jdaniel@jps.net 18:44:34 10/28/15 (7)
- Nice Move - Newey 21:45:20 10/28/15 (6)
- You'd have to know the actual story of Tristan to get the inside joke - jdaniel@jps.net 09:03:44 10/29/15 (5)
- You're Right - Newey 20:41:09 10/29/15 (4)
- BTW, if you have no time for immorality, how do you tolerate Wagner & Co? When Sieglinde... - jdaniel@jps.net 21:24:03 10/29/15 (3)
- RE: BTW, if you have no time for immorality, how do you tolerate Wagner & Co? When Sieglinde... - Newey 22:10:22 10/29/15 (2)
- The witticisms are one's only reward, otherwise your posts are pure sophistry, at least when you dare venture - jdaniel@jps.net 06:42:19 10/30/15 (1)
- Cut And Paste What????? [nt] - Newey 19:15:06 10/30/15 (0)