This is another one of those pieces about which you may justifiably wonder why it's not better known. No, it's not a major masterpiece, but it IS high quality music. It repays repeated listening, as the themes and Stanford's handling of them sink in and become familiar. I even found some of the themes playing in my head during the week after listening.
The only shortcoming is the ending. It seems that Stanford was going for consolation, but that's not quite the effect I get out of it.
Also - and very, very importantly - is that the thing doesn't end on the tonic. Instead, it stops on the leading tone. What the heck? Was there some uncorrected error in the score? Didn't conductor Hickox notice? It seems unlikely that a composer of Stanford's stripe - even in 1909 - would do something such as that.
As for the recording, it's in the echoic, distant Chandos vein. I really dislike that kind of sound. Live music never sounds that way - even from the lobby. On the plus side, the vocal soloists are solidly placed, and the organ is nicely audible. But, details such as the harp require effort to hear.
The choir is massive, and sounds that way. Later, after my first audition, I read the liner notes and found that the choir's about 200 strong. But - and it's a big but - it sounds as if they use nothing but boy sopranos. I really hate that. Of all of the annoying, irritating, provincial things about British culture, their adherance to the medieval, pseudo-homo use of pre-pubescent boys rather than women is the worse [eclipsing even their idiotic adding of the "r" sound to words ending in "a" - such as when they say 'AmericaR' or 'President ObamaR']. During the middle ages, women weren't allowed on stage in the theater, nor as singers in choirs - thus their use of young boys - 800 years ago. The fact that time has marched on seems to be lost on Her Majesty's empire.
Nevertheless, the music's enjoyable and worthwhile. So, thanks to Mr. Marks for bringing the music to our collective attention.
Severius! Supremus Invictus
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Topic - Stanford -- Stabat Mater - Newey 20:49:07 10/24/15 (84)
- Implications of Stanford's Chromaticism - Newey 22:30:11 10/27/15 (21)
- "That's what Chris wrote, and he's 100% correct." Wow! - jdaniel@jps.net 09:09:05 10/28/15 (20)
- The whole issue with music analysis. . . - Chris from Lafayette 10:02:17 10/28/15 (19)
- Illuminating - Newey 21:30:57 10/28/15 (10)
- "The old school scholars and critcs (sic) - all of them, to a man - with out a SINGLE EXCEPTION - jdaniel@jps.net 08:47:08 10/29/15 (9)
- **WRONG WRONG **DING DONG** WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG - Newey 20:45:49 10/29/15 (8)
- "It's staggering to consider that nobody's ever challenged that academic view. EXCEPT ME." - jdaniel@jps.net 21:06:20 10/29/15 (7)
- Your Knowledge Of Critical & Academic 20th Cent Trends - Newey 22:40:11 10/29/15 (6)
- Sigh. You said, "EXCEPT ME." (Your caps.) Really? Except you? - jdaniel@jps.net 07:48:18 10/30/15 (5)
- This Is Like Teaching A Slow Learner - Newey 20:00:26 10/30/15 (1)
- Indeed.... - jdaniel@jps.net 07:20:03 10/31/15 (0)
- You Sound Just Like A Holocaust Denier - Newey 19:23:49 10/30/15 (2)
- This Thread Is No Longer Constructive - Shuting it Down - No Further Posts Coming - Newey 19:49:48 10/30/15 (1)
- Could you be a dear and identify this tune for me? I just can't put my finger on it - jdaniel@jps.net 01:10:42 10/31/15 (0)
- Coitus Interruptus Dammitus! I forgot about Tristan, the most famous tonic-tease of all time - jdaniel@jps.net 18:44:34 10/28/15 (7)
- Nice Move - Newey 21:45:20 10/28/15 (6)
- You'd have to know the actual story of Tristan to get the inside joke - jdaniel@jps.net 09:03:44 10/29/15 (5)
- You're Right - Newey 20:41:09 10/29/15 (4)
- BTW, if you have no time for immorality, how do you tolerate Wagner & Co? When Sieglinde... - jdaniel@jps.net 21:24:03 10/29/15 (3)
- RE: BTW, if you have no time for immorality, how do you tolerate Wagner & Co? When Sieglinde... - Newey 22:10:22 10/29/15 (2)
- The witticisms are one's only reward, otherwise your posts are pure sophistry, at least when you dare venture - jdaniel@jps.net 06:42:19 10/30/15 (1)
- Cut And Paste What????? [nt] - Newey 19:15:06 10/30/15 (0)
- Deferring (or even dispensing with) the Tonic is a pretty common, I dare say hackneyed metaphorical trick used - jdaniel@jps.net 18:24:26 10/25/15 (36)
- Don't bother. - rbolaw 17:05:21 10/26/15 (21)
- There is discussion going on right now about resolving on the tonic! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 01:40:53 10/28/15 (2)
- Yes, I was making a funny. nt - rbolaw 11:09:59 10/28/15 (1)
- My post was originally a double entendre - but we're taking a wait and see approach now [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 11:50:54 10/28/15 (0)
- Applause All Around - Newey 22:37:21 10/27/15 (14)
- RE: Applause All Around - rbolaw 10:00:27 10/28/15 (13)
- It's cool; I've been riding him a bit hard. And he's right, no composer has ever delayed a tonic to make a - jdaniel@jps.net 19:04:30 10/28/15 (12)
- Ha Ha Ha - Best Entertainment - Newey 22:04:52 10/28/15 (11)
- "Fruit fly posts" Effeminization of discretion and good taste; let it stand. - jdaniel@jps.net 08:55:48 10/29/15 (8)
- **There Is NO *Repeat* NO ad hominem Attack Implied, Intended, or Expressed - Newey 20:34:28 10/29/15 (7)
- Then & Now - Is JDaniels The New Rob? - Newey 20:38:55 10/29/15 (2)
- What have you said that's correct? - jdaniel@jps.net 21:54:28 10/29/15 (1)
- Yep - Super Ultra Correct - Newey 23:19:44 10/29/15 (0)
- Fine, just how 'bout less Newey and more Cui from now on? nt - jdaniel@jps.net 20:37:49 10/29/15 (3)
- Ceasar Cui? [ nt] - Newey 20:49:45 10/29/15 (2)
- Yes, Newey, no one doubts that you know who Cesar Cui is. - jdaniel@jps.net 21:36:39 10/29/15 (1)
- The Irony Is - I'm Not "Trying" At All - Newey 19:10:26 10/30/15 (0)
- PLEASE try to maintain minimal courtesy, or. . . - Chris from Lafayette 01:17:53 10/29/15 (1)
- To The Moderator - Newey 20:27:24 10/29/15 (0)
- RE: Don't bother. - jec01 07:47:21 10/27/15 (2)
- Don't Be a Hater - Better To Enjoy Music Together [nt] - Newey 21:51:24 10/27/15 (1)
- Excellent idea - jec01 06:54:16 10/28/15 (0)
- You Have NO Idea What You're Talking About - Newey 21:33:07 10/25/15 (13)
- RE: You Have NO Idea What You're Talking About - jazz1 02:17:33 10/26/15 (1)
- Friendly - Newey 21:40:21 10/27/15 (0)
- Sigh, the piece ends in G Mixolydian; thus what you call the "leading tone" is F, and yes: a whole step from - jdaniel@jps.net 23:09:03 10/25/15 (10)
- Finally - Newey 22:23:49 10/27/15 (1)
- Indeed, finally a post of yours worthy of a substantial response. - jdaniel@jps.net 05:44:40 10/28/15 (0)
- Was just thinking - maybe the OP is hearlng the key of the last movement as C-major. . . - Chris from Lafayette 18:57:19 10/26/15 (2)
- As I Look At the Scores and Listen and Think - Newey 22:18:01 10/27/15 (0)
- We'll see if any of our detective work... "maters." : ) nt - jdaniel@jps.net 19:03:20 10/26/15 (0)
- You are correct, sir - a very striking ending indeed - Chris from Lafayette 11:40:30 10/26/15 (4)
- That's Hot On The Trail - Newey 22:15:43 10/27/15 (0)
- Well thank goodness, was listening thru very crappy laptop speakers. - jdaniel@jps.net 18:49:48 10/26/15 (0)
- Yes! Stanford had his moments - John Marks 14:27:17 10/26/15 (1)
- Hey - there's no more sincere admirer of Stanford's "The Bluebird" than I am [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 16:53:22 10/26/15 (0)
- SSI = Social Security Income? Space Studies Institute? Safe Sex Instructor? - Chris from Lafayette 17:32:18 10/25/15 (13)
- Society of St. John (Societas Sancti Ioannis) (nt) - riboge 05:19:22 10/26/15 (4)
- Excellent (nt) - Newey 21:49:22 10/27/15 (0)
- Well, that explains the sexual anxiety. nt - jdaniel@jps.net 18:55:16 10/26/15 (0)
- BTW, I'd never run into an SSI before, although I had OSM's and CSC's. . . - Chris from Lafayette 17:11:29 10/26/15 (0)
- Darn! - I was hoping it was Safe Sex Instructor - Thanks anyway! [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 11:43:22 10/26/15 (0)
- RE: SSI = Social Security Income? Space Studies Institute? Safe Sex Instructor? - Newey 22:27:04 10/25/15 (7)
- Sounds good to me - I like it when things heat up [nt] ;-) - Chris from Lafayette 11:08:08 10/26/15 (6)
- RE: Sounds good to me - I like it when things heat up [nt] ;-) - rbolaw 17:07:10 10/26/15 (5)
- Why Stir Up Trouble? I'm Contributing Value to this Site - Newey 21:59:25 10/27/15 (0)
- Heck, I'd bring back Romy to liven this place up a bit... - Ivan303 18:05:05 10/26/15 (3)
- Romy??? I thought his haunt was New England, not Chicago? [nt] - Chris from Lafayette 18:16:23 10/26/15 (2)
- No, no, no... - Ivan303 18:39:12 10/26/15 (1)
- RE: No, no, no... - rbolaw 19:38:24 10/26/15 (0)
- Xenophobic are we? - PAR 16:22:46 10/25/15 (2)
- Not That Much - Newey 21:36:17 10/27/15 (0)
- And a projectionist too. When choral directors choose boys' voices, they're thinking about clarity, not body parts. - jdaniel@jps.net 17:29:46 10/25/15 (0)
- The director of the Tallis Scholars once said... - John Marks 10:56:42 10/25/15 (4)
- Of course the Four Weddings and a Funeral spoonerisms.. - John N 13:29:18 10/26/15 (2)
- A little-known fact about the recently departed John Marks - John Marks 14:19:59 10/26/15 (1)
- Freud Had Something To Say About Those [nt] - Newey 21:43:52 10/27/15 (0)
- "favowite" [heh] (nt) - Newey 21:40:09 10/25/15 (0)
- I just checked the vocal score over on the IMSLP site - Chris from Lafayette 00:26:01 10/25/15 (2)
- RE: Confusing - Travis 09:48:23 10/25/15 (1)
- Oops! Sorry for my haste! - Chris from Lafayette 10:30:31 10/25/15 (0)