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In Reply to: Exactly. posted by Presto on March 14, 2006 at 11:59:11:
>This is the ugly side of audio that I hate very much. Arts students playing audio engineer or lab technician. It's not even funny. It's really aggrivating.<This part of your post FINALLY begins to answer a question I've posed for years which is "why do you care so much about what others claim to hear". I'm not espousing the original claim at all (it sounds silly to me) but why does it make you so angry?
I think you're really close to nailing down my years-old question. The best I heard until today is "we don't appreciate the dissemination of inaccurate information". But you seem particularly incensed. I'm curious why. I appreciate your posts on this thread, even if I wasn't in complete agreement - just wanted you to know that I'm genuinely interested in your reply... no hidden agenda.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - The cheapest CD tweek ever or how storage environment modifies the sound of your CDs - KlausR. 00:30:18 03/12/06 (143)
- Has no one noticed the obvious? - R Browne 19:16:41 03/25/06 (1)
- It had been noticed already! - KlausR. 07:24:43 03/26/06 (0)
- EXTRA EXTRA! MONSTERS EXIST! - Presto 12:52:00 03/20/06 (4)
- Something can be beyond reasoning & proof. (very off topic) - cheap-Jack 13:11:25 03/20/06 (3)
- I'm no spirit expert but... - Presto 16:23:44 03/20/06 (2)
- Re: I'm no spirit expert but... - soundmotor 05:14:54 03/30/06 (0)
- Let 's look at the brighter side of belief: religions. - cheap-Jack 17:55:58 03/20/06 (1)
- try this: - real_jj 15:21:29 03/17/06 (32)
- I had been thinking of doing just that... - KlausR. 04:20:02 03/18/06 (31)
- A CONTROL!! Klaus I am really impressed. - Presto 13:07:42 03/19/06 (30)
- Re: A CONTROL!! Klaus I am really impressed. - KlausR. 05:12:47 03/21/06 (3)
- What "skills" ?? - cheap-Jack 10:51:20 03/21/06 (1)
- Correction: - cheap-Jack 12:26:50 03/21/06 (0)
- Re: A CONTROL!! Klaus I am really impressed. - soulfood 09:44:45 03/21/06 (0)
- What "immoral" ? (long) - cheap-Jack 12:15:19 03/20/06 (0)
- Then we might have a non-story, unless the point was creating a lynch mob. (nt). - soulfood 09:37:12 03/20/06 (0)
- I bet he'll hear some "difference". (long) - cheap-Jack 09:25:44 03/20/06 (23)
- I think you and others are focusing on the wrong thing. - Presto 11:48:58 03/20/06 (22)
- Great post! - kerr 09:03:37 03/21/06 (2)
- Is this the one you mean? - Presto 19:49:00 03/21/06 (1)
- Yep, that's it - kerr 04:53:58 03/22/06 (0)
- Sorry, you still miss the main point. - cheap-Jack 12:53:46 03/20/06 (18)
- There are *way* too many variables, the experiment is useless. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:10:35 03/21/06 (14)
- Exactly ! - cheap-Jack 12:14:21 03/21/06 (13)
- Yes, and moreover, were one to submit this regimen as establishing proof of the IC, do you know what would happen? nt - clarkjohnsen 07:48:19 03/22/06 (10)
- Sorry, what is "IC" ? - cheap-Jack 08:18:31 03/22/06 (9)
- That would be Intelligent Chip. And... - clarkjohnsen 08:22:47 03/22/06 (8)
- You got my message. Thanks. (nt) - cheap-Jack 08:26:18 03/22/06 (7)
- So, what do you think would happen? (See up the thread.) nt - clarkjohnsen 11:48:34 03/22/06 (6)
- Which thread? (nt) - cheap-Jack 13:30:43 03/22/06 (5)
- *This* thread, silly! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:01:40 03/23/06 (4)
- I'm silly. So pls repost "this thread" so I can comment. (nt) - cheap-Jack 12:30:03 03/23/06 (3)
- http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/16220.html nt - clarkjohnsen 13:00:43 03/23/06 (2)
- Sorry. I can't retreive it ! (nt) - cheap-Jack 13:45:13 03/23/06 (1)
- Cut & paste. nt - clarkjohnsen 14:51:22 03/23/06 (0)
- Re: Exactly ! - soulfood 15:33:22 03/21/06 (0)
- Correction:- - cheap-Jack 12:28:28 03/21/06 (0)
- The main point is: - Presto 15:52:08 03/20/06 (2)
- Beat it, please! - cheap-Jack 18:10:44 03/20/06 (1)
- Beat it? I am sure you could do better than THAT! - Presto 18:58:07 03/20/06 (0)
- What a total blind test ! (long) - cheap-Jack 09:02:18 03/13/06 (50)
- How about this... - Presto 11:41:14 03/14/06 (47)
- What about it? - cheap-Jack 12:39:44 03/14/06 (46)
- Yes my post was in the wrong spot but... - Presto 13:27:58 03/14/06 (45)
- Please qualify your "scientific method".. - cheap-Jack 13:37:49 03/14/06 (44)
- Re: Please qualify your "scientific method".. - Presto 14:17:37 03/14/06 (43)
- Good argument ! (long) - cheap-Jack 09:20:15 03/15/06 (42)
- Re: Good rebuttle. lol - Presto 17:28:22 03/15/06 (38)
- Try to read between the lines, my friend. - cheap-Jack 07:50:19 03/16/06 (37)
- What I would do is simple. - Presto 14:10:09 03/16/06 (36)
- Trust them or not, we hear with our ears. - cheap-Jack 09:09:33 03/17/06 (33)
- When they learn how to shine some ray through wine and tell us exactly how it tastes... - clarkjohnsen 09:17:14 03/17/06 (32)
- Re: When they learn how to shine some ray through wine and tell us exactly how it tastes... - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 10:45:19 03/17/06 (31)
- "We can tell flawed from [good or great]." There you have it, folks. - clarkjohnsen 08:27:53 03/18/06 (30)
- Re: "We can tell flawed from [good or great]." There you have it, folks. - kerr 04:49:18 03/20/06 (1)
- Yes. Thank you! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:27:30 03/20/06 (0)
- Re: a correction - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 00:28:40 03/19/06 (15)
- I too have hung out with wine, beer and coffee people. Never once... - clarkjohnsen 11:32:19 03/19/06 (14)
- Re: I too have hung out with wine, beer and coffee people. Never once... - john curl 16:40:18 03/19/06 (7)
- Re: I too have hung out with wine, beer and coffee people. Never once... - Inmate51 08:01:24 04/12/06 (0)
- What's your evidence, John? - real_jj 17:28:30 03/24/06 (0)
- Take a look below and discover how MKJ has weaseled out of his former, undefendable position. Very amusing. nt - clarkjohnsen 07:59:12 03/21/06 (3)
- Now that's just enough! - real_jj 17:31:34 03/24/06 (2)
- He narrowed his claims down to "research" from the broad ones he made earlier. Because he had to! - clarkjohnsen 09:06:36 03/25/06 (1)
- No, Clark, and that is really, really enough - real_jj 10:34:50 03/25/06 (0)
- Re: I too have hung out with wine, beer and coffee people. Never once... - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 01:10:11 03/20/06 (0)
- Re: I too have hung out with wine, beer and coffee people. Never once... - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 13:30:32 03/19/06 (5)
- This has nothing to do with Larry being an amateur. Nor were my claims false. - clarkjohnsen 09:34:41 03/20/06 (4)
- Re: One point of clarification - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 18:57:32 03/20/06 (0)
- Re: Your claims are false - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 18:17:04 03/20/06 (2)
- Oh, so now it's "wine research". You've narrowed the field of contention dramatically... - clarkjohnsen 07:56:51 03/21/06 (1)
- bullcrap - real_jj 17:34:10 03/24/06 (0)
- Martians regularly visit my apartment... - andy_c 20:24:43 03/18/06 (1)
- Re: Martians regularly visit my apartment... - kerr 04:55:02 03/20/06 (0)
- Well, Clark I agree to a point. - Presto 12:32:27 03/18/06 (9)
- Re: Well, Clark I agree to a point. - theaudiohobby 16:20:17 03/18/06 (8)
- Chris Sommovigo said it elegantly, for us who listen. - clarkjohnsen 10:37:24 03/19/06 (7)
- Irrelevant.... - real_jj 14:01:57 03/31/06 (3)
- "I would prefer it if you would be more logical in the future." And *I* would prefer it if... - clarkjohnsen 10:15:20 04/01/06 (2)
- Just accept the truth, Clark - real_jj 20:25:41 04/05/06 (1)
- Still making a spectator sport of yourself we see. - clarkjohnsen 08:00:02 04/06/06 (0)
- Re: He's full of it - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 11:30:42 03/19/06 (2)
- Notice you didn't mention Paul Prudhomme, nor did you take Chris's point. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:35:15 03/19/06 (1)
- Re: Notice you didn't mention Paul Prudhomme, nor did you take Chris's point. nt - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 13:32:21 03/19/06 (0)
- Re: A better method - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 00:16:19 03/17/06 (1)
- HEAR HEAR! EXACTLY!!! lol Nicely Put. (nt) - Presto 12:33:29 03/18/06 (0)
- Re: Good argument ! (long) - theaudiohobby 11:22:09 03/15/06 (2)
- Why change subject ? Nitpicking or what? - cheap-Jack 11:57:44 03/15/06 (1)
- Re: Why change subject ? Nitpicking or what? - theaudiohobby 16:45:11 03/16/06 (0)
- Re: What a total blind test ! (long) - KlausR. 10:04:57 03/13/06 (1)
- Well, I can't reason out why? - cheap-Jack 10:43:13 03/13/06 (0)
- Re: Still can't get that chip out of your head, eh? LoL nt - geoffkait 15:56:57 03/12/06 (7)
- Re: LoL - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 22:40:27 03/12/06 (6)
- Re: Yeah, right... - geoffkait 03:35:34 03/13/06 (5)
- Re: LoL - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 08:54:55 03/13/06 (4)
- Re: I'm sure that's... - geoffkait 09:29:15 03/13/06 (3)
- Re: wishful thinking - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 14:19:36 03/13/06 (2)
- Re: otherwise intelligent people - geoffkait 15:18:20 03/13/06 (1)
- He's a worried man. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:18:54 03/16/06 (0)
- Fantastic audiophile hearing boasts are quite common - Caymus 10:20:30 03/12/06 (23)
- Hey, Caymus... - real_jj 15:22:37 03/17/06 (6)
- Yikes - E-Stat, clarkjohnsen, mkuller and Wellfed are working themselves into a witch-hunt frenzy! - Caymus 19:51:35 03/18/06 (0)
- Maybe this time he'll respond. Good luck (nt) - E-Stat 16:58:07 03/17/06 (4)
- Your ignorance and technical incompetence is making a fool of you - Caymus 17:13:31 03/18/06 (2)
- First learn about IP addresses are? - E-Stat 19:17:55 03/18/06 (1)
- You need a better primer, then - real_jj 12:39:36 03/19/06 (0)
- I admit to curiousity - real_jj 20:59:43 03/17/06 (0)
- Exactly. - Presto 11:59:11 03/14/06 (6)
- Re: Exactly. - kerr 09:35:55 03/15/06 (0)
- Before you go on accusing people,.. - cheap-Jack 13:22:33 03/14/06 (4)
- Well... - kerr 09:29:14 03/15/06 (2)
- I never said Fine Arts now did I? (nt) - Presto 12:32:29 03/20/06 (1)
- No. And your point is...? - kerr 05:16:34 03/21/06 (0)
- My credentials? - Presto 13:50:37 03/14/06 (0)
- "Proof" what ?????? - cheap-Jack 08:51:53 03/14/06 (7)
- Um, excuse me, but you need to read up a bit - real_jj 15:30:04 03/17/06 (0)
- Yikes, my reply got deleted by the moderator! - Caymus 10:46:59 03/14/06 (5)
- Not allowed to... - Wellfed 11:44:55 03/14/06 (4)
- "Hearing is an ‘observation’ – not proof" - Caymus 19:06:17 03/14/06 (3)
- Don't play dumb with me... - Wellfed 20:43:36 03/14/06 (2)
- My comments on Kait's business practices and products were the thread above - Caymus 21:39:49 03/14/06 (1)
- Let me guess... - Wellfed 22:21:03 03/14/06 (0)
- What "proof" you want to prove your own hearing? (nt) - cheap-Jack 11:56:36 03/13/06 (1)
- "What else [does the audiophile community] want us to believe?" LOL! - clarkjohnsen 10:20:07 03/12/06 (16)
- Did you try it? - KlausR. 09:48:11 03/13/06 (15)
- Try what? This post makes about as much sense as you ever do. "Hesitate"? Huh? nt - clarkjohnsen 10:03:44 03/13/06 (14)
- Re: Try what? - KlausR. 10:09:52 03/13/06 (13)
- That has nothing to do with what I said, and besides it's a pointless task. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:36:24 03/13/06 (12)
- I knew it was only a matter of time... - Presto 12:03:25 03/14/06 (0)
- Why pointless? - KlausR. 00:32:17 03/14/06 (10)
- Didn't "dismiss" the tweak (which, by the way, it isn't)... - clarkjohnsen 12:45:25 03/14/06 (3)
- Not a tweak??? - KlausR. 04:29:18 03/18/06 (2)
- These worthies have not been identified, so I do not know whether I have had any experience with them. - clarkjohnsen 08:12:28 03/18/06 (1)
- Bona fide - KlausR. 09:07:41 03/18/06 (0)
- Klaus. here is why. - Presto 12:24:45 03/14/06 (5)
- Re: Klaus. here is why. - KlausR. 04:46:43 03/18/06 (3)
- Re: Physical changes - geoffkait 05:22:30 03/18/06 (2)
- Re: Physical changes - KlausR. 07:51:11 03/18/06 (1)
- Re: Physical changes - geoffkait 10:59:24 03/18/06 (0)
- Re: Klaus. here is why. - Pat D 08:43:39 03/17/06 (0)
- Re: The cheapest CD tweek ever or how storage environment modifies the sound of your CDs - soulfood 08:08:47 03/12/06 (0)
- Re: The cheapest CD tweek ever or how storage environment modifies the sound of your CDs - porziob@aol.com 07:54:12 03/12/06 (0)
- Re: The cheapest CD tweek ever or how storage environment modifies the sound of your CDs - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 02:50:43 03/12/06 (0)
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- Re: Exactly. - kerr 09:35:55 03/15/06 (0)
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