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In Reply to: Bad news for you; those high schoolers were right, you were wrong posted by Duilawyer on December 6, 2006 at 08:29:40:
If someone else calls you a genius, will you go away? Because I won't, much as I'd prefer yr absence.You don't know what you're talking about. I stopped responding to you, but if you must continue this nonsense, you leave me no choice.
Technical virtuosity is NOT the basis for great musicianship. It's too bad that anyone feels this way, but...YOU of all people suggesting that if only OTHERS were musicians, that maybe they'd understand...trying to correct yr verbal incontinence on the subject of music has lost its appeal, especially given that you're still not willing to back off yr contention that the Live And Let Die lyric is redundant even though it's been clearly explained to you that yr interpretation is wildly inaccurate & just plain incorrect.
You're like the people who used to listen to Beach Boys singles & think they were simple...because they sounded simple. Unless you could actually comprehend that the music was actually rather complex. The Beatles were pretty good at that also, though it's obviously lost on you. If you choose to mistakenly believe that I'm some sort of sycophant, that is yr right & privilege, but it doesn't change the fact that the Beatles' music was being seriously analyzed and discussed by classical music critics and characterized as being worthy of such discussion, in November 1963. Gee, that couldn't possibly constitute a validation of the musicianship involved, could it now? Apparently not to you.
That's nine months after John Lennon said the Beatles were already dead as a live act...but wait a minute? I thought you said that didn't happen until they got famous? Don't you know everything? I guess Lennon wouldn't have thought that highly of the Live At The BBC set, hmmm?
Do you like only the tracks on that set recorded prior to 1964, since, according to you, upon becoming famous, they also became a terrible live band?
But here I am actually debating with someone who believes that George Harrison's guitar playing is easily replicated. The Ringo comments are stupid enough to begin with...this is easily the dumbest thing you've ever posted. But it's been apparent for quite some time that you know nothing about musicianship. I don't know how many technical virtuosos you've actually ever played with, but if you spent time with some, you'd find that many would indeed laugh that Harrison's playing was nothing more than kid stuff, yet most would never actually attempt to play it, and almost none would or could find that they could actually do it. Technical virtuosos, as a generalization, play far more than is necessary in rock music. Far too many notes. But music and musicianship is not something that's supposed to be devoid of restraint.The Beatles were masters of restraint, which is just one little aspect of musicianship that doesn't come part & parcel with all of the talent and ability required to achieve technical virtuosity. And you can choose to believe otherwise, but some of us know better, and understand that those who display the technical virtuosity that the Beatles may not have possessed rarely exercise restraint (usually because they rarely possess it). Many seem to not understand it, including yrself. It helps if you have an inkling that this is pop and rock music we're discussing, and it's actually far easier to create and perform complicated pop and rock music that sounds complicated than it is to create and perform complicated pop and rock music that sounds simple.
Referring to the musicianship of the Beatles as you have is proof positive that you are woefully unaware of this distinction.
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- Re: - J 09:53:15 12/06/06 (2)
- Entirely correct. - markrohr 13:53:57 12/06/06 (1)
- Eh - J 20:43:47 12/06/06 (0)
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