Re: DBTs don't have any time limits...except for the patience of the guy conducting it. All it has to be is fair. nt - okiemax

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Topic - Only golden ears have closed minds -- all objective audiophiles started out as golden ears - Richard BassNut Greene 14:25:39 06/01/06 (159)

I find it curious..... - Phil Tower 13:09:43 06/03/06 (98)

You ignore the real issue -- no one else cares how you spend your money -- it's your advice that affects others - Richard BassNut Greene 14:36:10 06/05/06 (2)

Re: You ignore the real issue -- no one else cares how you spend your money -- it's your advice that affects others - Phil Tower 16:19:04 06/05/06 (1)

Eye Rack - Richard BassNut Greene 09:49:01 06/09/06 (0)

Ah...the unproven long term listening excuse - Caymus 20:48:06 06/03/06 (26)

Ear training - rditmars 08:53:27 06/05/06 (8)

Youâ€™re confusing PITCH MEMORY with SOUND MEMORY - Caymus 14:31:02 06/05/06 (1)

Re: Youâ€™re confusing PITCH MEMORY with SOUND MEMORY - rditmars 18:41:10 06/05/06 (0)

Training - real_jj 11:53:12 06/05/06 (0)

Re: Ear training - Dan Banquer 10:19:57 06/05/06 (4)

You bet... - real_jj 12:12:37 06/05/06 (3)

Re: You bet... - Dan Banquer 12:40:53 06/05/06 (2)

Curiously enough... - real_jj 22:09:44 06/05/06 (1)

Re: Curiously enough... - Dan Banquer 09:00:50 06/06/06 (0)

Re: Ah...the unproven long term listening excuse - thetubeguy1954 08:09:24 06/05/06 (0)

Proof is fleeting! - soulfood 07:43:36 06/04/06 (11)

Why is so hard for some audiophiles to understand - Caymus 19:52:13 06/04/06 (1)

There's a distinction between understanding and agreeing. - soulfood 09:24:25 06/05/06 (0)

Re: Proof is fleeting! - Phil Tower 08:11:34 06/04/06 (8)

Re: Proof is fleeting! - soulfood 08:27:45 06/04/06 (7)

Re: Time is fleeting! - Madness Takes Control! - real_jj 12:00:30 06/05/06 (6)

Wrong address, this is an 'audio' asylum. (nt) - soulfood 14:35:56 06/05/06 (5)

It's astounding! - real_jj 18:17:26 06/05/06 (4)

It may be too late. - soulfood 19:14:03 06/05/06 (3)

Doctor! Who? - real_jj 22:10:10 06/05/06 (2)

Whew! Welcome back. - soulfood 08:15:17 06/06/06 (1)

I think it was the guy in the elevator... - real_jj 08:26:48 06/06/06 (0)

Re: Ah...the unproven long term listening excuse - Phil Tower 07:41:05 06/04/06 (3)

Err. AMEN - real_jj 12:01:40 06/05/06 (2)

Re: Err. AMEN - Phil Tower 17:25:17 06/05/06 (1)

Well, I do this for a living... - real_jj 12:36:32 06/06/06 (0)

OMG he's back - Soundmind 14:42:33 06/03/06 (67)

Some psychologists think that if people cannot tell in a short duration test whether the component has changed or not, - Norm 17:15:12 06/03/06 (22)

Those are the Hyundai buyers - E-Stat 16:44:48 06/05/06 (3)

Re: Those are the Hyundai buyers - kerr 05:15:10 06/07/06 (2)

I see you have your priorities correctly sorted out. [nt] - Wellfed 08:49:15 06/07/06 (1)

Well, if not "correctly", at least "sorted" - kerr 09:50:15 06/07/06 (0)

Who are you talking about.... - real_jj 11:58:26 06/05/06 (16)

If the shoe fits wear it. - Norm 15:22:40 06/05/06 (15)

You mean I'm Galileo, and you're the Pope - real_jj 18:04:40 06/05/06 (14)

If the shoe fits wear it. - Norm 18:10:11 06/05/06 (13)

Is there a reason you lie and accuse me of scientific misconduct? - real_jj 18:19:08 06/05/06 (12)

Okay, let us followup on the professional accusation crap. Tell me how I do so? - Norm 20:25:36 06/05/06 (10)

More lies on the part of "Norm" - real_jj 22:17:19 06/05/06 (0)

Don't make things up, Norm. - real_jj 22:15:09 06/05/06 (8)

Get real! File a complaint on your webpage??? - Norm 06:44:33 06/06/06 (7)

Don't lie, Norm. - real_jj 08:11:24 06/06/06 (6)

Don't exagerate. What is the secret? nt - Norm 10:26:56 06/06/06 (5)

S**t or get off the pot, Norm. - real_jj 13:24:20 06/06/06 (4)

I cannot understand your perceptions of the scientific method; perhaps ignorance - Norm 15:11:55 06/06/06 (3)

Sorry, accusing me of "ignorance" about the scientific method is another professional accusation - real_jj 15:34:32 06/06/06 (2)

If you say so. - Norm 18:14:16 06/06/06 (1)

Please explain how I can discount, using evidence, inadvertant self-influence in a sighted test. - real_jj 18:29:26 06/06/06 (0)

With only *two* posts thus far regarding accusations - E-Stat 19:44:10 06/05/06 (0)

Amen Brother (NT) - Phil Tower 07:43:47 06/04/06 (0)

Re: OMG he's back - Phil Tower 16:51:47 06/03/06 (7)

A lawyer who rejects scientific methods is.... - Soundmind 17:47:37 06/03/06 (6)

Re: A lawyer who rejects scientific methods is.... - Phil Tower 08:05:32 06/04/06 (4)

Re: A lawyer who rejects scientific methods is.... - Soundmind 08:27:30 06/04/06 (3)

Re: A lawyer who rejects scientific methods is.... - Phil Tower 08:47:10 06/04/06 (2)

Re: A lawyer who rejects scientific methods is.... - Soundmind 10:05:15 06/04/06 (1)

Re: A lawyer who rejects scientific methods is.... - Phil Tower 14:30:38 06/04/06 (0)

Re: "You seem to be a congenital arguer." - geoffkait 04:55:32 06/04/06 (0)

Re: OMG he's back - rditmars 16:45:42 06/03/06 (35)

DBTs don't have any time limits...except for the patience of the guy conducting it. All it has to be is fair. nt - Soundmind 17:49:20 06/03/06 (34)

Re: DBTs don't have any time limits...except for the patience of the guy conducting it. All it has to be is fair. nt - okiemax 20:02:29 06/03/06 (33)

Re: DBTs don't have any time limits...except for the patience of the guy conducting it. All it has to be is fair. nt - Soundmind 00:49:01 06/04/06 (32)

Re: DBTs don't have any time limits...except for the patience of the guy conducting it. All it has to be is fair. nt - Phil Tower 08:27:56 06/04/06 (27)

Re: DBTs don't have any time limits...except for the patience of the guy conducting it. All it has to be is fair. nt - Soundmind 08:39:06 06/04/06 (26)

Re: DBTs don't have any time limits...except for the patience of the guy conducting it. All it has to be is fair. nt - Phil Tower 15:19:09 06/04/06 (0)

What I believe (very long post) - Phil Tower 15:07:57 06/04/06 (24)

You call that a long post? Risch once had one on AR which took 9 boards...and said nothing...as usual ;-) nt - Soundmind 17:19:13 06/04/06 (21)

Don't get me started on Risch. That's when I really start to get myself in trouble around here. (NT) - Phil Tower 20:08:24 06/04/06 (20)

You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Soundmind 11:23:05 06/05/06 (19)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Phil Tower 17:03:19 06/05/06 (13)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Pat D 20:29:47 06/05/06 (7)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Phil Tower 20:44:57 06/05/06 (6)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Soundmind 06:25:36 06/06/06 (5)

Um, was that the fallacy of the excluded middle, soundmind? - real_jj 12:37:52 06/06/06 (3)

you are absolutely correct - Soundmind 16:07:49 06/06/06 (2)

ok.. - real_jj 16:13:10 06/06/06 (1)

Re: ok.. - Soundmind 16:27:28 06/06/06 (0)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Phil Tower 10:17:43 06/06/06 (0)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Soundmind 18:00:02 06/05/06 (4)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Phil Tower 18:24:13 06/05/06 (1)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Soundmind 18:46:42 06/05/06 (0)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Soundmind 18:14:48 06/05/06 (1)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - john curl 10:58:53 06/09/06 (0)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Phil Tower 16:25:47 06/05/06 (4)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Soundmind 17:50:54 06/05/06 (3)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Phil Tower 18:12:50 06/05/06 (2)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Soundmind 18:39:36 06/05/06 (1)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Phil Tower 20:51:12 06/05/06 (0)

Re: What I believe (very long post) - Soundmind 16:11:57 06/04/06 (1)

Re: What I believe (very long post) - Phil Tower 20:05:52 06/04/06 (0)

Re: DBTs don't have any time limits...except for the patience of the guy conducting it. All it has to be is fair. nt - okiemax 01:51:58 06/04/06 (3)

Re: DBTs don't have any time limits...except for the patience of the guy conducting it. All it has to be is fair. nt - Soundmind 07:50:06 06/04/06 (2)

My point : number of trials should be specified before a DBT begins - okiemax 09:57:26 06/04/06 (1)

Why should the number of trials should be specified before a DBT begins? - Soundmind 15:49:07 06/05/06 (0)

Re: Only golden ears have closed minds -- all objective audiophiles started out as golden ears - Todd Krieger 16:05:11 06/02/06 (2)

Re: Only golden ears have closed minds -- all objective audiophiles started out as golden ears - tomservo 06:54:43 06/03/06 (0)

He has that bass ackwards - E-Stat 06:03:36 06/03/06 (0)

If golden ears spawned objective audiophiles then gratitude is another fantasy world. (nt) - soulfood 15:16:53 06/02/06 (0)

Re: Only golden ears have closed minds -- all objective audiophiles started out as golden ears - Awe-d-o-file 14:10:31 06/02/06 (1)

I forgot to say that I think spending 10X as much $ doesn't even sound 2X better but still "worth" it....... - Awe-d-o-file 14:43:14 06/02/06 (0)

"glittering generalities" - unclestu52 13:50:11 06/02/06 (2)

I think you miss the satire in RBNG's post. - Pat D 18:06:12 06/02/06 (1)

Re: I think you miss the satire in Stu's post. (NT) - unclestu52 20:05:32 06/02/06 (0)

A place for everything and everything in it's place! - Bruce Kendall 11:27:32 06/02/06 (0)

Mr. Nut's latest troll - take it to PropHead...(nt) - mkuller 14:28:52 06/01/06 (20)

Typical, Mkuller, have you any evidence? - real_jj 11:15:28 06/02/06 (4)

Show us YOUR evidence - got any? (nt) - mkuller 11:55:46 06/02/06 (3)

Don't need to. You make the claim, you do the research... - real_jj 13:45:57 06/02/06 (2)

Do you even know... - mkuller 12:02:54 06/04/06 (1)

Where's your evidence? - real_jj 23:02:57 06/04/06 (0)

Please tell about your sample size. This certainly runs counter to my experience. - Norm 14:48:01 06/01/06 (19)

Please don't assume your prejudices are true... - real_jj 11:17:30 06/02/06 (5)

Have you ever known a subjectivist? - Norm 20:35:59 06/02/06 (1)

Rather 100's of them, Norm... - real_jj 17:46:46 06/03/06 (0)

Now we are confusing terms. - rditmars 11:28:44 06/02/06 (2)

Um, where IS the measurement only crowd? - real_jj 13:49:02 06/02/06 (1)

Good question... - rditmars 14:13:21 06/02/06 (0)

I was an objectivist who turned golden ear. - SalD 15:32:50 06/01/06 (3)

Re: Only golden ears have closed minds -- all objective audiophiles started out as golden ears - Audioq 16:06:32 06/01/06 (11)

Why........ - JohnL 16:09:16 06/01/06 (4)

Wrong.............. - JohnL 06:33:40 06/03/06 (0)

Tube amps often do sound different. - Pat D 17:22:17 06/02/06 (0)

You do - kavakidd 16:25:03 06/01/06 (0)

Objectivists are alchemists? they can turn gold into tin? nt - Analog Scott 17:39:15 06/01/06 (0)

A open mind is not subjective or objective but a little of both - Kloss 08:14:52 06/02/06 (1)

Re: A open mind is not subjective or objective but a little of both - thetubeguy1954 10:08:56 06/02/06 (0)

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Re: DBTs don't have any time limits...except for the patience of the guy conducting it. All it has to be is fair. nt - okiemax 20:02:29 06/03/06 (33)

Re: DBTs don't have any time limits...except for the patience of the guy conducting it. All it has to be is fair. nt - Soundmind 00:49:01 06/04/06 (32)

Re: DBTs don't have any time limits...except for the patience of the guy conducting it. All it has to be is fair. nt - Phil Tower 08:27:56 06/04/06 (27)

Re: DBTs don't have any time limits...except for the patience of the guy conducting it. All it has to be is fair. nt - Soundmind 08:39:06 06/04/06 (26)

Re: DBTs don't have any time limits...except for the patience of the guy conducting it. All it has to be is fair. nt - Phil Tower 15:19:09 06/04/06 (0)

What I believe (very long post) - Phil Tower 15:07:57 06/04/06 (24)

You call that a long post? Risch once had one on AR which took 9 boards...and said nothing...as usual ;-) nt - Soundmind 17:19:13 06/04/06 (21)

Don't get me started on Risch. That's when I really start to get myself in trouble around here. (NT) - Phil Tower 20:08:24 06/04/06 (20)

You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Soundmind 11:23:05 06/05/06 (19)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Phil Tower 17:03:19 06/05/06 (13)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Pat D 20:29:47 06/05/06 (7)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Phil Tower 20:44:57 06/05/06 (6)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Soundmind 06:25:36 06/06/06 (5)

Um, was that the fallacy of the excluded middle, soundmind? - real_jj 12:37:52 06/06/06 (3)

you are absolutely correct - Soundmind 16:07:49 06/06/06 (2)

ok.. - real_jj 16:13:10 06/06/06 (1)

Re: ok.. - Soundmind 16:27:28 06/06/06 (0)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Phil Tower 10:17:43 06/06/06 (0)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Soundmind 18:00:02 06/05/06 (4)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Phil Tower 18:24:13 06/05/06 (1)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Soundmind 18:46:42 06/05/06 (0)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Soundmind 18:14:48 06/05/06 (1)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - john curl 10:58:53 06/09/06 (0)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Phil Tower 16:25:47 06/05/06 (4)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Soundmind 17:50:54 06/05/06 (3)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Phil Tower 18:12:50 06/05/06 (2)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Soundmind 18:39:36 06/05/06 (1)

Re: You mean you really don't see eye to eye with Jon Risch? - Phil Tower 20:51:12 06/05/06 (0)

Re: What I believe (very long post) - Soundmind 16:11:57 06/04/06 (1)

Re: What I believe (very long post) - Phil Tower 20:05:52 06/04/06 (0)

Re: DBTs don't have any time limits...except for the patience of the guy conducting it. All it has to be is fair. nt - okiemax 01:51:58 06/04/06 (3)

Re: DBTs don't have any time limits...except for the patience of the guy conducting it. All it has to be is fair. nt - Soundmind 07:50:06 06/04/06 (2)

My point : number of trials should be specified before a DBT begins - okiemax 09:57:26 06/04/06 (1)

Why should the number of trials should be specified before a DBT begins? - Soundmind 15:49:07 06/05/06 (0)