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"Anybody can claim to have carried out a test. we dont even see one SEM pic of the surface which is shown to come from the chip itself. plus the origin of the test is anonymous."

You're absolutely right NonA and I think it's interesting that no proponent of the chip brought that up. I seriously doubt they would have been so silent if the scan had revealed nothing but aluminum foil, but now that they know there's (oooohhhh) niobium in it, suddenly my anonymous test has validity. Quite the scientific method eh? You're completely justified in questiong the scan, hell, I wouldn't believe it either...unless of course it showed nothing but aluminum foil:-) But it's real, and you could easily verify the results from an independent lab of your choice if you're so inclined. I can suggest a company if you need one, but they'll charge you 150 bucks an hour for the SEM. The machine used for this analysis was an AMR1000 and there's no pictures because we didn't make any. All the data was simply displayed on a crt as a graph with the appropriate spikes (actually off the charts for the Ni and Cu) with a tag displayed identifying the element. Keep in mind that this was done as a favor, and I simply asked for the composition of the disc and nothing more. The relative quantities of Nb to Ni suggests that it's just an alloying element and a scan of the sides apparently did not show any more that the two layers. IOW, there's no meat in the sandwich, just bread:-) Oh, and sorry for calling the disc a dot, that must have been confusing.

The effort in doing all this was simply to establish the content of the disc and I was fully aware that we weren't going to find any quantum material with the scan. I was surprised that there was more than the drop from a punch press making holes in shim stock though. I'm sure if I were honest about it, I was secretly hoping to see Alcoa written acoss them...heh heh...but the bottom line of course, in relation to the uhhhh, discussion about the chip, is whether or not there's a quantum dot somewhere in the whole mess. It's pretty rediculous to run around arguing about quantum theory when the most funadamental question hasn't been, and can't be, answered by those hawking the chip. No one on this board who's selling, shilling, or honestly supporting the thing, can even tell us what the disc is made of, let alone tell us whether there actually IS A QUANTUM DOT in it to begin with.

I'm not a scientist, I don't have any degrees, I only know what I know about quantum dots and quantum theory from Google, and I think most audiophiles are nuckin' futs:-) But it really doesn't take a physicist to realize that until you know there IS A QUANTUM DOT in the chip, any speculation about how quantum mechanics may affect your cds is pointless...unless you just sell them, I guess. I don't know about you, but if I wanted to sell QD's and sell them honestly, I'd expect the usual miles of certs and paper trails that would naturally accompany products at this level of technology. Who in their right mind would order a bunch of quantum dots in a Ni/Cu sandwhich without proof that the QD was in there? I mean, it's not like you can tell from looking at them:-)

Anyway NonA, glad to see some common sense about my anonymous test. It wasn't meant to debunk anything btw, I was genuinely curious about it. I had listened to treated cds and heard no differences and I cross paths routinely with people that have access to and make a living at metals testing at all levels. It was a natural opportunity.

Best,
Allan

PS - I'm going to go ahead have some further testing done; it's been offered, so I think I'll take them up on it. Highly informal, but no less accurate, and I'll even get some pictures for you guys:-)

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