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In Reply to: Honest discourse... posted by mkuller on February 12, 2006 at 20:14:50:
Come on, I went and reviewed all that google newsgroup stuff between you and jj.You all are the problem, start, middle, and finish. And, y'all are dead wrong about who is the "ABX" proponent. Wouldn't that be a Mr. Kreuger? Goodness, slick, goodness gracious.
Now, if y'all are still not understanding the answer, it's simple, the data into the compressor has to match the data out of the compressor bit for bit. Period. No if, no and, no but, or it's not a "lossless" system.
If y'all hear a problem in a lossless system, and y'all can reproduce it under controlled (i.e. dbt, etc) circumstances, y'all on to a great big bug in something.
At this point that bug might not surprise me so much.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Codecs... - mkuller 12:36:33 02/09/06 (114)
- Re: Codecs... - macaque 15:41:33 02/12/06 (1)
- Well... hmmm... - Silver Eared John 13:49:05 02/13/06 (0)
- New Cans o' Worms..... - Todd Krieger 02:25:23 02/12/06 (23)
- Re: New Cans o' Worms..... - Jim Austin 17:03:12 02/13/06 (5)
- 'So in practice it's quite possible that Apple lossless is not truly lossless.' - Lynn 17:36:45 02/13/06 (4)
- Re: 'So in practice it's quite possible that Apple lossless is not truly lossless.' - Jim Austin 17:58:12 02/13/06 (3)
- Re: 'So in practice it's quite possible that Apple lossless is not truly lossless.'..Unlikely - theaudiohobby 05:29:58 02/22/06 (2)
- Re: 'So in practice it's quite possible that Apple lossless is not truly lossless.'..Unlikely - Jim Austin 07:27:08 02/22/06 (1)
- Re: 'So in practice it's quite possible that Apple lossless is not truly lossless.'..Unlikely - theaudiohobby 17:25:59 02/22/06 (0)
- If y'all can reproduce that, y'all oughta make a bug report. - Silver Eared John 13:31:41 02/13/06 (0)
- Apple Lossless..... - mkuller 11:15:08 02/12/06 (1)
- Re: Apple Lossless..... - Lynn 13:22:07 02/12/06 (0)
- 'Unlike software, there are no precise data patterns in music. So I question whether "lossless" can truly be lossless.' - Lynn 08:01:55 02/12/06 (8)
- Re: 'Unlike software, there are no precise data patterns in music. So I question whether "lossless" can truly be lossles - Todd Krieger 00:41:30 02/13/06 (6)
- Re: 'Unlike software, there are no precise data patterns in music. So I question whether "lossless" can truly be lossles - Tom Dawson 14:19:47 02/13/06 (0)
- Try this... - Silver Eared John 13:46:58 02/13/06 (0)
- you can personally try this - tunenut 10:00:55 02/13/06 (3)
- "the conversion on-the-fly is likely to exacerbate jitter and add RFI"- no argument there, - Lynn 15:10:34 02/13/06 (2)
- Re: "the conversion on-the-fly is likely to exacerbate jitter and add RFI"- no argument there, - Dan Banquer 16:38:55 02/16/06 (0)
- Your advice is very, very good, Lynn. - Silver Eared John 15:40:46 02/16/06 (0)
- FLAC Testing - Lynn 08:53:35 02/12/06 (0)
- Re: New Cans o' Worms..... - andy19191 04:19:09 02/12/06 (4)
- It is also possible... - Jim Austin 17:00:51 02/13/06 (3)
- Re: It is also possible... - andy19191 23:21:42 02/13/06 (2)
- Andy, your message is mystifying. - Jim Austin 04:02:10 02/14/06 (1)
- Re: Andy, your message is mystifying. - andy19191 05:17:30 02/14/06 (0)
- I think guruboolez did the testing on hydrogenaudio - Atexanathome 07:48:35 02/11/06 (0)
- He said "lossless", y'all! Wake up! - Silver Eared John 14:44:11 02/10/06 (46)
- Re: He said "lossless", y'all! Wake up! - Jon Risch 19:09:01 02/12/06 (44)
- Stuff and nonsense, stuff and nonsense - Silver Eared John 13:30:25 02/13/06 (2)
- Nope, head in the sand..... - Jon Risch 17:55:24 02/15/06 (1)
- Y'all can't answer this head-on, can ye? - Silver Eared John 15:31:13 02/16/06 (0)
- Re: He said "lossless", y'all! Wake up! - Lynn 21:22:43 02/12/06 (40)
- Missing the whole point - Jon Risch 17:47:55 02/15/06 (39)
- No, Jon, no. - Silver Eared John 15:33:53 02/16/06 (0)
- The output from the PC to the DAC is always a full linear PCM data stream - Lynn 18:35:11 02/15/06 (37)
- Re: The output from the PC to the DAC is always a full linear PCM data stream - Jon Risch 20:01:37 02/16/06 (36)
- Another fib, Jon? - Silver Eared John 10:24:23 02/17/06 (34)
- JJ never could take a joke - Jon Risch 13:56:02 02/18/06 (33)
- Re: JJ never could take a joke - real_jj 16:25:18 02/20/06 (19)
- Congratulations on your award! It is good to have people of your caliber back on board. nt. - Lynn 08:06:15 02/24/06 (1)
- Sorry to say... - real_jj 23:46:10 03/04/06 (0)
- Hallelujah! - Pat D 12:17:48 02/22/06 (16)
- Gee that's funny - E-Stat 20:00:48 03/03/06 (15)
- Caymus, drop me a line via corporate mail... - real_jj 22:18:03 03/03/06 (14)
- Don't forget to contact "old_jj" - E-Stat 05:41:14 03/04/06 (13)
- Oh, that might be me, having lost the login information... - real_jj 17:32:04 03/04/06 (12)
- The "real" jj - E-Stat 20:22:40 03/04/06 (11)
- As you are well aware, I deleted that ID... - real_jj 23:42:03 03/04/06 (10)
- Why do you think folks are well aware - E-Stat 06:17:37 03/05/06 (9)
- So, you aren't dilligent. - real_jj 13:37:57 03/05/06 (8)
- Pompous as usual - it IS you! - E-Stat 19:11:04 03/05/06 (7)
- Some things just don't change. - real_jj 21:29:48 03/05/06 (6)
- Your reply perfectly illustrates my point - E-Stat 14:29:49 03/06/06 (5)
- Here we go again... - real_jj 17:21:46 03/06/06 (4)
- Most folks would have just said - E-Stat 17:42:57 03/06/06 (3)
- Most people might have asked, not accused... - real_jj 18:43:14 03/06/06 (2)
- I most certainly did. Read my first post again (hint: look for the ?) - E-Stat 05:19:12 03/07/06 (1)
- Riiiight - real_jj 10:48:45 03/07/06 (0)
- Why don't you ask JJ sometime, then? - Silver Eared John 13:56:04 02/19/06 (1)
- You did hear about the tea shop in Australia, didn't you? - real_jj 11:32:28 03/06/06 (0)
- Joking with JJ about DBTs... - mkuller 12:01:30 02/19/06 (10)
- Given the people who have died recently due to this issue, IMO, this 'joke' is in poor taste (at best). nt. - Lynn 16:24:27 02/19/06 (1)
- Sorry if I offended you...(nt) - mkuller 11:17:28 02/20/06 (0)
- Y'all do realize that's accusing JJ of malpractice, don't ye? - Silver Eared John 13:59:41 02/19/06 (7)
- No one is accusing you... - mkuller 16:17:47 02/19/06 (6)
- No y'all ain'taccusing me, y'all accusing jj - Silver Eared John 20:52:44 02/19/06 (5)
- Dr. Jeckyl or Mr. Hyde - same person...(nt) - mkuller 09:53:39 02/21/06 (4)
- Re: Dr. Jeckyl or Mr. Hyde - same person...(nt) - Dan Banquer 16:48:52 02/21/06 (2)
- "real jj" registered February 20, 2006 - LOL! (nt) - mkuller 10:22:10 02/22/06 (1)
- Re: "real jj" registered February 20, 2006 - LOL! (nt) - real_jj 11:53:24 02/22/06 (0)
- It's time y'all stop spreading that idea, Mkuller - Silver Eared John 10:18:10 02/21/06 (0)
- Re: The output from the PC to the DAC is always a full linear PCM data stream - Lynn 20:56:17 02/16/06 (0)
- If interested, here is an older MPEG4 Lossless white paper. nt. - Lynn 08:57:06 02/12/06 (0)
- Re: Codecs... - KlausR. 23:47:53 02/09/06 (2)
- None of these articles... - mkuller 10:02:13 02/10/06 (1)
- Most of MPEG-4 is not lossless, neither. - Silver Eared John 14:45:02 02/10/06 (0)
- Re: Codecs... - Atexanathome 19:36:12 02/09/06 (0)
- Would y'all mind not calling me names? - Silver Eared John 17:23:25 02/09/06 (35)
- Sorry, I though you considered yourself an "expert"... - mkuller 09:58:09 02/10/06 (34)
- Re: Sorry, I though you considered yourself an "expert"... - Rod M 19:44:30 02/10/06 (8)
- Sounds like someone's been whining to y'all.. - mkuller 13:41:42 02/11/06 (7)
- Re: Sounds like someone's been whining to y'all.. - Rod M 19:19:17 02/12/06 (6)
- Honest discourse... - mkuller 20:14:50 02/12/06 (5)
- Re: Honest discourse... - Rod M 20:07:05 02/13/06 (3)
- Dishonest discourse... - mkuller 11:09:42 02/14/06 (2)
- Now I just noticed that special little turd just now... - Silver Eared John 10:05:17 02/28/06 (0)
- It's about whose attitude, chump? - Silver Eared John 14:00:48 02/14/06 (0)
- Look who's stalkin' - Silver Eared John 14:00:10 02/13/06 (0)
- I did answer the question... And y'all lied twice in your "reply". - Silver Eared John 14:39:27 02/10/06 (24)
- Apparently... - mkuller 15:46:40 02/10/06 (23)
- Remember the SNL skit with Martin Short - E-Stat 18:43:48 02/10/06 (21)
- So Estat chooses to lie, too... - Silver Eared John 21:30:50 02/10/06 (20)
- Seriously, John - E-Stat 09:24:59 02/11/06 (18)
- As expected, he failed to address the questions, which you laid out specifically and mannerly.. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:08:30 02/14/06 (1)
- baloney - Silver Eared John 10:27:18 02/14/06 (0)
- Seriously, E-Stat - Silver Eared John 13:51:24 02/13/06 (15)
- Why didn't you just say so or just clarify your statement? - E-Stat 14:47:59 02/13/06 (14)
- Sorry, there, missed the relevant content... - Silver Eared John 15:06:36 02/15/06 (12)
- Lemme 'splain sumtin' to ya Jawn - E-Stat 16:57:52 02/15/06 (11)
- Yeah, I just said that. - Silver Eared John 18:08:59 02/15/06 (10)
- But y'all's not a gittin' the idee hyer - E-Stat 18:46:49 02/15/06 (9)
- Y'all need to study a bit, fella - Silver Eared John 10:37:48 02/16/06 (8)
- Clouding the issue with facts? - Dan Banquer 14:16:46 02/16/06 (4)
- Oh, geeze, man... - Silver Eared John 15:41:52 02/16/06 (3)
- Re: Oh, heck John; - Dan Banquer 15:53:31 02/16/06 (2)
- Y'all think? - Silver Eared John 17:08:01 02/16/06 (1)
- Got it. - Dan Banquer 05:30:51 02/17/06 (0)
- C'mon John - E-Stat 11:32:39 02/16/06 (2)
- Yeah, it does require some "computational balls"... - Silver Eared John 15:40:04 02/16/06 (1)
- Right (nt) - E-Stat 15:56:46 02/16/06 (0)
- Well, shucks, who threw the first stone, stat? - Silver Eared John 18:57:09 02/13/06 (0)
- Not me. nt - Dan Banquer 04:27:18 02/11/06 (0)
- I answered the question, y'all... - Silver Eared John 16:58:27 02/10/06 (0)
Follow Ups
- Look who's stalkin' - Silver Eared John 14:00:10 02/13/06 (0)
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