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In Reply to: Some comments posted by David Aiken on March 13, 2005 at 13:18:35:
David,Great points, all.
> Well, how about compression of drivers and the effect of that on transients and dynamics? There's also the speed that some components respond with and the effect of that on transient/dynamic performance but that could be considered a time-based error. <
But every one of those are easily measured using the four parameters I defined! Everything you mentionend will show up clearly in simple distortion and frequency response tests.
> Sorry but we don't always have the tools and models. <
Sure we do. You can easily invert a copy of the input to any device under test, combine it with the output and null out the original, and all that remains is the difference. Regardless of what effect caused the difference, it's trivial to identify the artifact completely and unambiguously.
> take a look at some of John Atkinson's comments about the lack of fit with his test measurements and the subjective reviewer's comments in Stereophile <
Without repeatability in the form of double-blind test results, all subjective opinion is meaningless and worthless. Now, if some of the things people claim to hear but that can't be measured were identified repeatably in a proper test, I'd gladly reconsider. As far as I know this has not yet happened. And there's a reason this has not yet happened.
--Ethan
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Follow Ups
- Re: Some comments - Ethan Winer 10:58:12 03/14/05 (26)
- As a card carrying skeptic... - soulfood 08:45:14 03/15/05 (0)
- Re: Some comments - David Aiken 13:22:43 03/14/05 (11)
- Re: Some comments - Ethan Winer 10:00:38 03/15/05 (10)
- Re: Some comments - David Aiken 16:29:01 03/15/05 (9)
- Re: Some comments - Ethan Winer 11:13:15 03/16/05 (8)
- Re: Some comments - David Aiken 21:46:27 03/16/05 (7)
- Re: Some comments - Ethan Winer 11:14:30 03/17/05 (6)
- A response, and a very serious question in return. - David Aiken 15:48:24 03/17/05 (5)
- Re: A response, and a very serious question in return. - Ethan Winer 08:13:39 03/18/05 (3)
- Re: A response, and a very serious question in return. - David Aiken 12:57:34 03/18/05 (2)
- Re: A response, and a very serious question in return. - Ethan Winer 09:12:33 03/19/05 (1)
- Re: A response, and a very serious question in return. - David Aiken 12:20:30 03/19/05 (0)
- Re: A very serious question - Djhymn 22:45:52 03/17/05 (0)
- Re: Some comments - Steve Eddy 12:51:18 03/14/05 (0)
- I hate to bring this up, but... - mkuller 12:16:06 03/14/05 (11)
- Please elaborate, ... - Djhymn 21:03:49 03/14/05 (10)
- Re: Please elaborate, ... - David Aiken 22:33:12 03/14/05 (9)
- Fascinating stuff, thanks for your considered reply, and... - Djhymn 09:16:27 03/15/05 (8)
- Here's the long version.... - mkuller 11:38:12 03/15/05 (7)
- Nice, thanks! - Djhymn 16:33:33 03/15/05 (0)
- Re: Here's the long version.... - Steve Eddy 12:20:30 03/15/05 (5)
- Is that really the way it works?.... - mkuller 14:58:16 03/15/05 (4)
- Re: Is that really the way it works?.... - David Aiken 16:57:13 03/15/05 (2)
- So there is still a need for a test to validate audio DBTs... - mkuller 10:45:47 03/16/05 (1)
- Not necessarily… - David Aiken 22:31:00 03/16/05 (0)
- Re: Is that really the way it works?.... - Steve Eddy 15:26:18 03/15/05 (0)