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In Reply to: Re: Bad Science posted by john curl on June 21, 2004 at 23:44:25:
Steve, that is the most hypocritical statement that I have heard in a long time. It is YOU who is attacking me!Attacking you? No, I'm simply setting the record straight. It's you who attacked by using your specious distortion measurements to slam someone's product.
I don't know exactly why Bruno and I don't agree on our measurements.
It's not you versus Bruno. It's a second-rate, antiquated distortion analyzer versus a modern reference standard distortion analyzer, KNOWN AND DEMONSTRATED to measure well below where you're capable of measuring.
I do know that I tend to find distortion, and some others tend to ignore it.
Your distortion wasn't ignored, John. At least not by me. I did everything I could to try and duplicate your results. Making sure that the measurements used the same stimulus frequency at the same levels you were using. When that wasn't enough, I spent my own time and money sending cables half way around the world so that the same cables were being measured.
But once all these conditions had been met, and using a system known and demonstrated to measure well below where you are capable of measuring, there were no signs whatsoever of the high-order harmonics that appear in your measurements.
This is more than ample proof that the high-order harmonics that appear in your measurements are not being produced by the cables themselves. Yet in spite of the fact that you are fully aware of this, you continue to pass off your measurements as if they were.
That makes your original post on Cable Asylum nothing short of malicious and libelous in my opinion.
Years later, someone will then 'find' the distortion that I originally found and claim the discovery for themselves.
Yes, I suppose 10 or 20 years from now someone using a 40 or 50 year old ST-1700B will also "find" the distortion that you originally "found" and claim the discovery for themselves and this whole thing will just repeat itself. This seems to be the sad fate of high-end audio.
Seldom, if ever, has a distortion that I have found has been without real merit.
Well I'm afraid that in this case it has no real merit with regard to the behavior of the cables themselves.
Even IF this distortion that I measure turns out to be related to grounding or some such, it would still be important, since it would probably happen with many audio systems.
Fine.
But your original post was an unequivocal codemnation of the cable itself, and continued to mislead people to believe that the high-order distortion products you're measuring are being produced by the cable itself.
There is essentially nothing wrong with the ST1700B. It was designed to professional standards...
The ST-1700B was designed as a second-rate, economical alternative to their top of the line analyzer. And whatever standards it was designed to, it was designed to them nearly 30 years ago.
Like it or not, the world has moved on, John and we now have more modern test equipment meeting much higher sandards than your ST-1700B was designed to or is capable of.
If you choose to remain in the past and cling to your outdated ST-1700B like some raggedy old teddy bear from your childhood, fine. Just don't try and pass yourself and your antique off as being on the leading edge of aduio measurement and stop misleading people to believe that the distortion you're measuring is being produced by the cables themselves.
...and addresses grounding in its manual. You are just blowing smoke!
You're the one blowing the smoke (screen) as I've said nothing about grounding.
se
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