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In Reply to: RE: So, you watched the video? Or read other detail of this story? posted by vacuous on April 02, 2024 at 10:08:38
Questions the veracity of and motivation behind release of new report, esp now. Timing of release appears to coincide with renewed congressional Ukraine funding push. Much like the Russian-nukes-in-space-satellites of a month or so ago. The attitude is broadly dismissive.
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A number of congress critters and right-wing groups have been lobbying against continued funding for Ukraine. But House Speaker Johnson, himself on the right wing, is now pushing to resume such funding. Which is weird, because previously he opposed this funding. It's still an open question whether Johnson will muster enough support to pass a Ukraine aid package.
What I don't get is how people (here in this forum and elsewhere) think there is some sort of political manipulation going on. As if releasing that 60 minutes report was a coordinated political move, a distribution designed to tip the scales of official government policy...
The facts? That 60 Minutes report was a collaboration with Der Spiegel and The Insider. Der Spiegel, based in Germany, is pretty far removed from any advocacy of US government policy. The Insider, based in Riga Latvia, does investigative journalism & fact-checking about Russia; equally distanced from any advocacy of US government policy. And that 60 Minutes report was 5 years in the making, not something concocted on short notice to influence current votes in Congress.
But the interesting thing here is the mere allegation that something inappropriate is going on. That the release of the 60 Minutes report is some kind of political manipulation under control by a hidden hand. Perhaps 60 Minutes is on secret payroll! Taking bribes! Busy concocting 'fake news'! And so forth an so on. That's what courses through some minds of our congress critters. Conspiracy theory. Whack-jobs as leading voices in our government.
the mixed conservative message is only because their funding or brain power doesn't allow them to consider such a reality.I had a good time with the Russian people , but the governmental culture clearly has no decency, killing dissenters, invading other countries, is no problem for those guys.
I once took a ship load of foreign aid rice to Bangladesh. right on the unloading pier, the distinctive handshake symbol of American aid was spray painted over to represent the rice was from the USSR.
They think such actions are clever instead of a moral problem. although the USSR no longer exists I wouldn't put anything past their Putin run government.
Back in the commie days I happened to cross paths with a Russian sailor , a rare sight because they were never allowed off the ship, and this guy only got off because he had a dental emergency . But to get off the ship, he first had to be authorized by the ships political officer,( who did no other work but to report about the crew.) regardless of need, along with his two required escorts.
And if anyone defected to the west, their entire family and close relatives would be "harmed". I didn't press for details. Such is life under authoritarian rule , and I certainly hope those who advocate for such rule here in America never gain such power.
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It's conspiracy theories regarding Ukraine funding that's the current narrative. The 60 minutes report has become part of it. The way this one goes, it's pointed out that Ukraine funding is moving off the back burner with Johnson apparently not as unyielding about keeping any bills off the floor. It's considered suspicious that coincidentally, investigative reporting reveals that "Havana syndrome" was(is) real and was perpetrated by some elite Russian operation. The "official" report on Havana syndrome from many months ago found no direct cause and couldn't identify any state actors (unsatisfyingly inconclusive IMO). IOW, the first report was wrong, the Russians really are out to get us and we can get back by funding Ukraine. Anyone not in favor of addl funding for Ukraine will quickly spin the coincidences and contradictions raised by 60 min into govt attempting to improperly influence public opinion to favor funding and disfavor conservative opinion.
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Not just conservatives.
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We are inclusive and diverse, but dissent will not be tolerated.
Two points:One: Liberals scoff and make fun of anything/anyone who disagrees with them. How long have you heard/read the term "faux news" in reference to FOX News? So, lambasting "the other side" isn't a one-sided sport.
Two: Nothing in politics which gets into the public view is accidental or unscripted. Everything that's important happens, and is said, out of view. Well, except for the occasional slip, like when Biden said to Obama, "This is a big fucking deal". He doesn't normally talk like that in public .
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We are inclusive and diverse, but dissent will not be tolerated.
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I must take exception to your two points.One, that lambasting the other side isn't a one sided sport. there is no other side to the truth. lies are not equivalent to facts despite them being often being debated as equals for entertainment value that creates advertising dollars. .
Two, the truth is not scripted and impossible to change. only when truth is denied is the news always scripted and controlled.
I thought your comment about Biden being caught cursing was nonsensical, as it made no point, . Everyone knows this is an old fashioned church going guy with the responsibilities of state to mind, so of course he doesn't make a habit of cursing in public , he's not a vulgar unthinking lout and even vulgar politicians usually respect their office enough to act with the usual and expected decorum.
I happen to think that providing healthcare to millions of Americans who previously had none is certainly a big deal, and that fact that the billionaires don't want to be taxed to help fellow Americans in need doesn't impress or concern me in the slightest. I know they will be permanently rich after taxation, if they ungratefully even pay any taxes at all.
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