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Pat,

In response to my statement: "One of the best technics in debating is to use a person's own words against them." You replied: Ah yes! Instead of talking about the subject matter, attacking the person or his circumstances rather than talking about audio. Quoting out of context and changing the meaning. But then I already knew that. Nice to see you admit it--although you probably hadn't realized you did.

Which quite obviously shows me you aren't really reading my posts! If you had you'd see how sadly mistaken this reply of yours is. I use a person's own words against them to talk about the subject matter. Unfortunately as is often the case, when a person's own words are used to defend a POV that's in disagreement with their own belief system they feel attacked, like they're being quoting out of context or that quoting them somehow changes the meaning of what they've said, like you apparently do.

This is precisely what happened when I quoted directly word for word your comments about your speakers in Inmate's Systems, which I've noticed you've since changed! You even attacked what I said as being false UNTIL you realized I was quoting you. That's why I said, "One of the best technics in debating is to use a person's own words against them." People will often say conflicting statements, or criticise their own words UNTIL they realize it is their own words. Then like you did here they'll cry in defense I'm being quoted out of context and you're changing the meaning of what I said. But that's NOT what I've done! In fact I'll often give a link to the person's complete post so their words can be read in context. So no Pat, I'm not admitting to anything like you've said I have. Sorry but you are sadly mistaken.

Also Pat you need to realize as opinions are involved many times when discussing audio and differing POVs. The person and their circumstances are as much involved because the person and their circumstances effects their opinions. Thus it's as germane to the discussion as is the actual audio topic. If we were discussing using only facts and no opinions, I might in that case agree with your belief that the person and their circumstances is not germane to the topic being discussed.

I find your reply: Again illustrating how little you know room effects. to my statement of: "However the fact that you went from Quad ESL-63's to Paradigm Signature S2s says enough to me!" to be a perfect example of a Circumstantial Ad Hominem which I'm sure you know is "Circumstantial: A Circumstantial Ad Hominem is one in which some irrelevant personal circumstance surrounding the opponent is offered as evidence against the opponent's position."

Pat when I was talking about replacing Quad ESL-63's with the Paradigm Signature S2s I was not speaking of room interactions in any way. I was speaking about exchanging Quad ESL-63's which many consider to be a world-class speaker for Paradigm Signature S2s which outside of Stereophile, many consider to be upper mid-fi or lower hi-fi at best. My opinion on that matter in no way reflects on what I know about speaker/room interactions. Thus is the reason your statement is a Circumstantial Ad Hominem.

Now Pat when I consider that you've made that speaker exchange, along with your opinions of wires and solid state audio components, it says enough to me!

Keep enjoying the music -- Thetubeguy1954

It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows. - Epictetus

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