In Reply to: Another Sample Of An Audio Component That Doesn't Measure Well, But Sounds Great. posted by thetubeguy1954 on November 7, 2006 at 09:17:55:
From a technical point of view, there are DACs which measure considerably better in many respects. However, as to what is likely to be heard, most of them are OK, although in his review for Stereophile, linked below, JA does indeed think that some of the distortion may be audible:"However, the absence of an output low-pass filter means that the mix of 19kHz and 20kHz tones I use to test this performance aspect results in aliased tones being dumped back down into the audioband, which can be seen in fig.11. The audibility of this behavior is unpredictable, as it will very much depend on the music's spectral content. However, I do wonder if it is associated with the softness of the 4715's sound noted by AD."
So, despite your doubts, it seems that a technical explanation for some particular sonic features of the DAC is available. So, while it may not measure particularly well in some respects from a technical point of view (and I have to take JA's word for it), it does not seem to measure badly in ways which make it sound bad--it has received a Class B rating in Stereophile, though there is some disagreement about that from the staff.
So there is an ambiguity in stating that the DAC measures badly because there are two standards: one technical and one psychoacoustic. Many products measure well enough to sound quite good, even though there are ones which outperform them technically. The same considerations apply to other products such as many tube amps.
There are two fundamental goals for a sound system: 1) accuracy, and 2) pleasantness. It is not for me to tell anyone what the sonic goals of their system should be.
You consider such DACs to be more accurate to the real thing than other DACs you have used, which is your privilege, but you have not said you have actually done a live vs. recorded test, much less a controlled blind one.
JA mentions some other problems with the 47 Labs DAC and transport but they have to do with compatibility. It will sound rather bright on CDs with pre-emphasis, it is not notably low on jitter, and it has lower distortion into a relatively low input impedance, a rather unexpected result.
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Follow Ups
- The 47 Labs DAC and transport don't measure particularly badly. - Pat D 12:52:08 11/14/06 (43)
- Re: The 47 Labs DAC and transport don't measure particularly badly. - thetubeguy1954 11:27:54 11/15/06 (42)
- Re: The 47 Labs DAC and transport don't measure particularly badly. - Pat D 20:12:08 11/15/06 (41)
- Re: The 47 Labs DAC and transport don't measure particularly badly. - thetubeguy1954 09:04:14 11/16/06 (40)
- Yes, I have heard 47 Labs and you haven't. - Pat D 14:36:53 11/16/06 (39)
- Re: Yes, I have heard 47 Labs and you haven't. - thetubeguy1954 06:55:42 11/17/06 (33)
- Re: Yes, I have heard 47 Labs and you haven't. - Pat D 12:28:56 11/17/06 (32)
- Re: Yes, I have heard 47 Labs and you haven't. - thetubeguy1954 13:41:43 11/17/06 (31)
- Re: Yes, I have heard 47 Labs and you haven't. - Pat D 15:32:36 11/17/06 (30)
- Re: Yes, I have heard 47 Labs and you haven't. - thetubeguy1954 09:19:20 11/20/06 (29)
- Re: Yes, I have heard 47 Labs and you haven't. - Pat D 09:32:10 11/21/06 (28)
- OK Pat, But I Did Compare the Aliantes vs The Paradigm. - thetubeguy1954 11:36:55 11/21/06 (27)
- Re: OK Pat, But I Did Compare the Aliantes vs The Paradigm. - Pat D 14:48:57 11/21/06 (26)
- Re: OK Pat, But I Did Compare the Aliantes vs The Paradigm. - thetubeguy1954 08:16:42 11/22/06 (25)
- You keep on making up opinions and motives for me. I thought you were giving that up . . . - Pat D 21:29:04 11/22/06 (24)
- That's YOUR Interpretation, It's Not What I Said or Meant. - thetubeguy1954 13:20:10 11/27/06 (23)
- Nope! At this point I can read you like a book. (nt) - Pat D 15:38:17 11/27/06 (22)
- Pat You Believe You Can Read Me Just Like The Book Called War & Peace, After You've Read The Comic Book Version. - thetubeguy1954 09:39:21 11/29/06 (21)
- You haven't even heard the Sonus Faber Cremon Auditor - Pat D 10:56:13 11/29/06 (20)
- Nor Have I Ever Claimed To! - thetubeguy1954 13:20:07 11/29/06 (19)
- No, but you compare the SF Cremona Auditor to other speakers! - Pat D 15:00:49 11/29/06 (18)
- And I've Told You How & Why I did That Many Times Now... - thetubeguy1954 09:48:37 11/30/06 (17)
- Tom tries to justify comparing the sound of speakers he has never heard! - Pat D 00:50:02 12/01/06 (16)
- Pat tries to justify his disapproval of my opinion of the SF Cremona Auditor ! - thetubeguy1954 06:31:28 12/01/06 (15)
- Would you review a theatre performance you never attended? - Pat D 08:22:36 12/01/06 (14)
- Let It Go Pat, Let It Go - thetubeguy1954 13:16:36 12/01/06 (13)
- Hey, it's OK as long as Tom is "comfortable!" - Pat D 17:55:13 12/01/06 (12)
- You're Finally Getting It Pat - thetubeguy1954 18:16:54 12/03/06 (11)
- Irony is lost on you, I think. (nt) - Pat D 19:36:34 12/03/06 (10)
- It's Not Lost, I Just Don't Accept Your Version Of It - thetubeguy1954 12:53:42 12/04/06 (9)
- My concern is that you don't discuss logically. - Pat D 14:45:12 12/04/06 (8)
- Re: My concern is that you don't discuss logically. - thetubeguy1954 08:44:30 12/05/06 (7)
- Re: My concern is that you don't discuss logically. - Pat D 09:04:20 12/05/06 (6)
- Pat, Pat, Pat... - thetubeguy1954 06:35:18 12/06/06 (5)
- Cheap debating tricks? - Pat D 07:56:43 12/06/06 (4)
- Cheap debating tricks, are being used by you Pat! I Give Up... - thetubeguy1954 14:19:09 12/06/06 (3)
- Put up or shut up!. - Pat D 15:53:56 12/06/06 (2)
- Just Learn To Read Pat - thetubeguy1954 07:14:00 12/07/06 (1)
- No, in context, your remarks are to invalidly argue against my audio philosophy by bashing my system and choices! - Pat D 08:05:21 12/08/06 (0)
- Re: Yes, I have heard 47 Labs and you haven't. - morricab 00:50:30 11/17/06 (4)
- Re: Yes, I have heard 47 Labs and you haven't. - Pat D 07:13:18 11/17/06 (3)
- Restricted LF??? - kerr 16:59:09 11/17/06 (2)
- I beg your pardon. - Pat D 17:33:51 11/17/06 (1)
- No need - my mistake - kerr 06:08:50 11/18/06 (0)