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Pat You Believe You Can Read Me Just Like The Book Called War & Peace, After You've Read The Comic Book Version.

Posted by thetubeguy1954 (A) on November 29, 2006 at 09:39:21

In Reply to: Nope! At this point I can read you like a book. (nt) posted by Pat D on November 27, 2006 at 15:38:17:

Pat,

It's quite obvious you're slipping back into your shuck & jive mode. For example of what I mean by that I see that you are now claiming in defense of your stating more than once that Stereophile rates your speakers as being Class A (Restricted LF) while also claiming you do not accept the hype that goes with Stereophile's descriptions of their ratings for Recommended Components, that all you're doing is taking Stereophile's ratings & then pointing out at what level they put some products. However the reality is if you didn't believe the hype, you wouldn't be using Stereophile's ratings to provide proof of your speakers capabilities, because you'd know it's just hype!

The truth is at first I enjoyed debating with you Pat. Unfortunately just like every other time I've debated you intelligently & civilly, you start becoming defensive and then revert to your Objective vs Subjective mode of defense.

Pat as I told you before I won't allow you to lure me into another one of your Objective vs Subjective debates. Up until you started this Objective vs Subjective mode of defense we had been debating strictly our subjective opinions of what we heard. In your case it was of the Paradigm Signature S2 vs SF Cremona Auditor and in my case it was of the Paradigm Signature S2 vs Aliante Pinafarina Ones. Subjectively I found the Paradigm Signature S2's to be upper mid-fi at best and if one were to use Stereophile's rating system, I'd say the Paragigm Signature S2 was perhaps deserving of a Class C (Restricted LF) rating at best. That's precisely why I didn't buy a pair of them in mint used shape, even though the seller only wanted $600 for the pair!

Pat if you'll go back and re-read our posts in this thread it was YOU, not me and who started calling your components mid-fi. I was trying to be nice and not disparage your equipment. In fact the only reason your speakers were brought up in the first place was I because I was trying to inform you that Paradigm had upgraded their Signature series! I knew you liked your speakers and thought perhaps you'd be interesting in applying the new upgrades of beryllium-dome tweeters and cobalt infused aluminium mid/bass drivers to your speakers. As the cost increase was quite modest at only $200pr, I thought this was something worth looking into, as it would most likely improve their performance. To this suggestion of mine you replied: A) I'm still quite pleased with my Paradigm Signature S2 speakers and B) you mentioned how you noticed they have attained Class A Restricted LF status in Stereophile's Recommended Components, for one of four times.

In an effort to show I wasn't attempting to disparage your speakers I responded that I thought this might be an upgrade worth your investigating. I also told you that I'd look into this upgrade as well "if" Aliante made such an upgrade available for the Pinafarina Ones only $200. Believe it or not I was trying to help you not hurt you Pat.
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Then you tried provoking me by making comments about me as opposed to talking about the topic at hand with remarks like:

1) LOL. It apparently just bugs you that my speakers got a Class A Restricted LF rating in Stereophile and yours haven't (If anyone should be ROTFLOL it's me. You know I told you previously I didn't buy a pair of mint, used Paradigm Sig S2 for $600 because the Aliantes so easily bested them. I also told you I could have purchased components on Stereophile's RC list but CHOSE not to! It apparently just bugs you that my speakers, so easily bested your Stereo-Review-Phile Class A Restricted LF rating speakers so easily! Perhaps JA should make a Class A+ Restricted LF just for the Aliantes?)

2) Nope! At this point I can read you like a book. (Nope! apparently you can't)

3) You keep on making up opinions and motives for me. I thought you were giving that up... (Pat when I read your posts I can only "see" what those words mean to me, just like you can only "see" what my words mean to you! Whereas you believe I am making up opinions and motives for you, I believe I'm stating the only logical conclusion that can be reached from your actions and words. "If" I'm wrong in my conclusions than it's no more wrong than your conclusion that I am making up opinions and motives for you!
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You need to try sticking to the topic Pat, which was our subjective opinions. Just because you get caught doing something like, telling us that:

1) You do not accept the hype that goes with Stereophile's descriptions of their ratings for Recommended Components.

2) Then mention at least 4X how Stereophile rates your speakers as Class A (Restricted LF)

A) I'm still quite pleased with my Paradigm Signature S2 speakers (which I notice have attained Class A Restricted LF status in Stereophile's Recommended Components)
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/25680.html

B) LOL. It apparently just bugs you that my speakers got a Class A Restricted LF rating in Stereophile and yours haven't.
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/25863.html

C) Stereophile puts the SF Cremona Auditor in Class B Retricted LF, but that is apparently another reviewer's opinion, whereas JA reviewed the S2.
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/25813.html

D) ...my speakers judged by Stereophile to be Class A Restricted LF! You must be going by price and age because you can have no other objective basis for such an assessment.
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/prophead/messages/25698.html

3) Then claim: Stereophile gives ratings. I point out at what level they put some products.

When the reality is your purpose is to defend your speakers with proof that morricab and I are mistaken in our belief that your speakers are mid-fi! For in your own words "...there are other very knowledgeable and experienced people who think they are very near the top." Thus you use the rating these "knowledgeable and experienced people" provide, even though you claim it's hype! So apparently hype is proof to you? What I find Funniest about all this, is when I've made mention of reviews in the past you attempted to berate them, but now you want these reviews to count because they are used to give your speakers Class A status and are written by "knowledgeable and experienced people!" Pat if anyone here has ever wanted to have his cake and eat it too, it's you. You're like a double-agent.

The truth is I'm sorry it upsets you so much that I don't find your speakers to be better than I do. To me they weren't worth $600pr, GOD knows what you paid for them. I can see you're starting to take this too personally, so I'm going to let this go, before you try to involve me in either a personal attack on each other or an Objective vs Subjective debate.

In any event, you don't know the slightest bit about me and if you believe you can read me like a book. I'd equate that remark of yours as being made from someone who read the War & Peace comic book and then claiming they knew the actual full length book in it's entirety. Trust me you don't know me at all...

Keep enjoying the music -- Thetubeguy1954

It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows. - Epictetus

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