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I believe so as well...

tunenut, I'm not some whacko that just believes hook, line & sinker everything that's written in an AD, article or interview. The Objectivists here have tried to turn my discussion in a direction I NEVER intended for it to go i.e. C37 & Wooden knobs!

I stated in my original post the purpose of this post was done:

In my continuing effort to:

1)Find some common ground between Objectivists & Subjectivists, because I believe we are both partially right & wrong in our beliefs.
2)Appease the Objectivists here by doing my own research and/or homework.

If anyone goes back to my original post they'll see I focused on "these sounds", "musicality" and how it MIGHT apply to SET's. I made 2 comments directly about SETs 1)Soon Dieter realized that physics, the way it was taught and understood, was not enough to cope with the acoustical tasks of a good violin (or perhaps SET amp and/or other audio components that measure poorly yet sound great -thetubeguy1954) & 2) I personally find it refreshing that others are trying to discover reasons why components be they SET amps or instruments without 2nd order harmonics can nevertheless sound musical!

I believed it was very clear from original post and from the many others after it that the main focus of the point I was trying to discuss was this...

Unfortunately using todays standard method for measuring performance in audio components is NOT what we should be using! We should be searching for a way the measure "these sounds!" Now we need to do what Soundmind challenged other audio designers to do! I'm paraphrasing Soundmind, My challenge to anyone who claims they can't correlate measurements they make with what they hear isn't to abandon measurements but to come up with better ones that do! So todays audio designers need to open their minds and look for the means to measure "these sounds" that are associated with what we refer to as musicality. When scientists and/or audio designers finally discover how to measure "these sounds" we will, or so I believe, have a much more accurate measurement of an audio components actual performance.

Until that day arrives and we finally discover how to measure "these sounds" we'll continue to have Subjectivists claiming how good their tubed amps replicate the musicality of a performance, while Objectivists point to today's standard measurements as "proof" that this cannot possibly be so!

No matter how many others try to distort it, THAT IS the focus of my debate. In any event good listening to you...

Thetubeguy1954


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