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In Reply to: RE: Maggie poll: Tweets In or Out? posted by vinylheathen on September 12, 2017 at 12:44:38

Placement is everything, whatever you settle on.
I find tweeters in dictates the speakers to be toed such that the intersection of planes is ahead of me.
At one point I had tape on my floor for probably a year (more?); one for tweeters in, one for tweeters out, just in case I had an inkling to move them. It's "my" room, so nobody is concerned about some tape on the floor. It does raise questions for guests however. :)
(actually, now that I think of it... the tape is still there for my alternate position)

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RE: Currently out. - vinylheathen 14:09:33 09/13/17 (0)
...I have routinely used tape on the floor to mark speaker locations...it is a no brainer!
RE: Currently out. - Swamis Cat 09:42:32 09/13/17 (1)
Yeah, on the tweets needing to aim in front of the listener when inside. Wendell has repeatedly stated that -- especially in the i series -- the woofers and mids need to be closer than the tweeter. With tweets out that means the speaker needs very little toe in. But with tweets in it means a lot of toe in, even approaching 45 degrees in some cases as the comment above mentioned.

If one measures the frequency response in the upper midrange, there are HUGE changes as toe in is adjusted, with a huge suckout if the mids aren't closer than the treble. With tweets out, too little toe in can lead to the opposite issue of a glaring midrange.

Of course this is massively influenced by side wall reflections in smaller rooms. For example in the Limage set up with NO toe in and tweets in but very close to the side wall, we get the reinforcement of the midrange off the SW.

Other random thoughts on tweets in or out...
1). I find the tweets out to sound richer. Sumptuous.
2). I find tweets in to have substantially better real world imaging specificity, but tweets out throws a further back wall of sound soundstage.
3). Tweets out gets in the way for us imaging freaks. You can only move the speakers so far apart, and as such there is an extra 3 feet of giant monolithic panel in the middle of my precious soundstage.
4). The bass will be better with the tweets in or out. But it depends on the room so you need to try both.
5). The amount of toe in affects the bass quality. Extreme toe in excites the room laterally. I have tended to prefer the bass with less toe in (it is snappier), but again this would be room specific.
6). If you have to get your speakers less than five feet from the FW, use FW diffusion or shoot the mid and tweets into the corner. I find that all the reflections and delays coming out of the corner acts like a diffuser in reducing the dreaded comb filtering which makes close to FW listening so uncomfortable.

In general, I have spend substantially more time with tweets in than out. But it may be related to my rooms.
- RE: Currently out. - jimf42 08:25:10 09/22/17 (0)
  I tried tweeters out (MGIIIa) for many years, but in the last year, switched to tweeters in. Vastly improved imaging...at least in my setup. It does however, as some have posted require more toe in. I am still experimenting

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