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RE: How many people are NOT upgrading their crossover in the Maggie 1.6s

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In Reply to: RE: How many people are NOT upgrading their crossover in the Maggie 1.6s posted by tyu on September 08, 2012 at 04:34:14

Tyu, Don't have a hemorage. It's only a flippin' speaker.
80%? 60%? How about 70%? It's just a number which have only opinions to back them.

Magnepans are thought of as a hi-value item. But, in delivering such high value, some compromises were made. People LIKE to mess with stuff. Some people have latched on to the Magnepan and are busily moddin'g away.

And who's to say better or worse? You from wherever? Me? How about the guy that built 'em? That is the only opinion that matters. That modd'd equipment has compromised resale doesn't bother most of the modders. They are in it for the long haul. 'I will be buried in the box they came in' has been heard more than once.

What drives this? Maybe as many reasons as people. Curiousity? sure Looking for the ultimate sound? probably Bored? why not too much money? doubtful but possible.

You should probably read my post. I'm very conservative in modding. No rubberized stuff, no Ouija Board on top of the equipment rack. No crystals or voodoo dolls or even psychic phone calls. Nope. Start with sound principles and work slowly. Everything works for a reason.

Reality is what's left when you stop believing in ???

Too much is never enough

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RE: "It's only a flippin' speaker." - JBen 15:07:41 09/08/12 (3)
I saw this hours ago and I am still laughing at "flippin'". It was no pun intended, right?

I like that in the posting you also imply something that I believe we all know, though sometimes forget. The relativity of this whole thing.

The one objection I have is to your not using the Ouija Board tweak. While the Voodoo Dolls mod is not working for me yet, the Q Board adds an ethereal charm.

It also brings out voices and sounds from the background that one misses without the boards.

I use one board for each speaker. Maybe you can try it this way. I am now trying to get the Ouija Board hand pieces to act as VU meter needles. For now, they stay put on the vertical boards just fine. Yet, they seem to dance to a different tune...
- RE: "It's only a flippin' speaker." - pictureguy 16:41:01 09/08/12 (2)
  If I tell you, the magic would go away.
  BTW, I spent 10 yrs in the punitentiary '
  It is a family behavior issue.
  Too much is never enough
  - RE: "It's only a flippin' speaker." - JBen 16:54:38 09/08/12 (1)
    Some very decent people get the best perspectives on life that often escape others, in this manner.
    - RE: "It's only a flippin' speaker." - pictureguy 20:14:25 09/21/12 (0)
      I wanted to add that getting a person post from Geoff makes my system sound substantially better for a couple weeks, until the juju wears off.
      
      Too much is never enough
RE: How many people are NOT upgrading their crossover in the Maggie 1.6s - tyu 14:34:52 09/08/12 (18)
The post was Not about you ...but it looks like it was...
You are vary openminded...an right on with how you think...
I have done a lot of mods....like i have said befor i had too learn to Diy amps an anying Audio...but it look like the same people here just go round an round...it like there talking to thems selfs..

Search in these sites has 100k post on mods....but it like there nothing New ever added...
An then MR Magnepan come in with his Bs....... goes to Magnepan for a tour..come back blowing hard about puting down on paper what he saw ....but never happens ....but can post crap every day..
dont read my post!...i dont care what you think!..an i dont like you!
funny i been looking at this site for years an can only say this about you!...did you get that....goodluck

Here the best one....
My room 12'X13"..an i am going to put a 100" tv in an need someone to tell me if the mg1.7 are the 20.7 are the way to go...you know with my 7.1 setup i well be adding to the room..an it well have room for 5 people....An no one here thinks this is a joke even if the guy who post never come back to the post he started....hell who here cares...thay go an run with it....
So now less get 60-100 post..about this,...... if this crap is going to go on....i well just keep adding tooooo.... then some here can run me down... looks like that more real..an can be funny....goodluck
- RE: How many people are NOT upgrading their crossover in the Maggie 1.6s - josh358 17:36:01 09/08/12 (0)
  "An then MR Magnepan come in with his Bs....... goes to Magnepan for a tour..come back blowing hard about puting down on paper what he saw ....but never happens ....but can post crap every day..
  dont read my post!...i dont care what you think!..an i dont like you!
  funny i been looking at this site for years an can only say this about you!"
  
  Well, then, TYU, perhaps you shouldn't read *my* posts. :-)
- RE: How many people are NOT upgrading their crossover in the Maggie 1.6s - JBen 16:19:13 09/08/12 (3)
  Tyu, Tyu...hold back the rage a little more.
  
  Ok, I agree with you on something. We have got to punish Josh for not reporting on the trip.
  
  Let's not hate him for it. I propose we all come up with some amusing ways to punish him, and then vote on one way to accomplish this.
  - RE: How many people are NOT upgrading their crossover in the Maggie 1.6s - tyu 07:45:25 09/09/12 (2)
    Ok, I agree with you on something. We have got to punish Josh for not reporting on the trip. ....
    No you got punish him...i see him as a sutin...i need nothing from him... are anyone like him..goodluck ....
    
    I bet magnepan ask him not to say more than he has...i could care less...i was just ponting out his BS..
    
    Let's not hate him for it. ....LOL
    I have never found what he has to say to be any better are diff than anyone here.....you know we all get to say what he think...
    He just trolls from site to site tell all that he Was a Industry Professional ...it funny to me...i well say you dont see any other posters with Industry Professional with there name...... on any other site i been on...but hay it work for him so i say ...LOL...goodluck
    - RE: How many people are NOT upgrading their crossover in the Maggie 1.6s - josh358 09:24:24 09/11/12 (0)
      "I bet magnepan ask him not to say more than he has"
      
      Your speculation is incorrect.
      
      "He just trolls from site to site tell all that he Was a Industry Professional ...it funny to me...i well say you dont see any other posters with Industry Professional with there name...... on any other site i been on."
      
      "Industry professional" is the Asylum's category, not mine, and as I have previously informed you, I use it because I am required by the Asylum. It is a lie to say that I use it, or any similar designation, on other sites. There is a similar category, "industry participant," on the Audio Circle, but as far as I know it isn't mandatory, so I haven't used it.
    - RE: How many people are NOT upgrading their crossover in the Maggie 1.6s - dumpingground 18:22:37 09/09/12 (0)
      does this board have an ignore user feature?
- RE: How many people are NOT upgrading their crossover in the Maggie 1.6s - pictureguy 16:14:41 09/08/12 (12)
  I think you'll see I was the 'naysayer'......the guy with the 11.5x13 foot room and wanting to install a 5 or 7.1 system?
  Josh is more video oriented and his points were valid......Their ARE standards for viewing distance vs screen size...based on the apparent size of the screen and the viewing angle.
  
  And while some were 'go for it!' I wanted to put on the brakes. I'd LOVE to hear how that came out.
  
  BTW, Josh is a great guy. You should think about that. HE at least nutted up and went to Minnesotta for the tour.....who ELSE here can say that?
  Lots of people talk trash about magnepan quality or 'built to a price' or whatever. NONE of these people own or run a company which has lasted what.....40 years?
  Even PG has taken some shots....but HE at least came up with what he thought were a good set of mods and has the guts to sell 'em.....and has takers. HE gets my vote, too.
  I've seen / heard many theories about Magnepan...but few can pass the 'make a prediction' test and than verify it. Everyone else? Let's just say they have a high bar to hurdle before I sign on...
  
  Too much is never enough
  - RE: How many people are NOT upgrading their crossover in the Maggie 1.6s - tyu 04:25:03 09/09/12 (11)
    I think you'll see I was the 'naysayer'.....yes i did...but
    
    Let me be clear....we all have had to much audio for a room..
    But when i came here after geting the new 1.7 an runing them in for 6weeks.. an said the sound sucked...an still had 4 other pr of maggys i could put in at any time...i was a nut job!
    It was after haveing them in a room setup for sound...18'X25'X14' in a all open space 18'X 40'..... the the 25' wall can be mover...no tvs..no racks..one chire...two ears....is this the best room on earth...No..B ut i would have never came here an said one thing bad about the 1.7s ..an would still have them hopeing one day i would have a room that would let me hear them....good are bad..
    but here people that say thay know good audio sound... take a room 13X15.. an put a pr of Tympani IVs or 3.7 an say thay have the best sound ever....it there dream...an that cool... but say you dont know...you at lest had too read some where that the room makes a big diff...but for most thay dont care...there right....goodluck
    - RE: How many people are NOT upgrading their crossover in the Maggie 1.6s - josh358 07:03:10 09/09/12 (10)
      I don't recall anybody calling you a nutjob for disliking the 1.7's. Nor do I remember anyone with a 13 x 15 room saying they had the same sound ever.
      
      Where the hell do you come up with this stuff?
      - RE: How many people are NOT upgrading their crossover in the Maggie 1.6s - pictureguy 11:47:55 09/21/12 (9)
        
        In Reply to: RE: How many people are NOT upgrading their crossover in the Maggie 1.6s posted by josh358 on September 09, 2012 at 07:03:10
        
        Pornography is like good/bad sound quality......I'll know it when I see (hear) it.
        Too much is never enough
        
        RE: How many people are NOT upgrading their crossover in the Maggie 1.6s - josh358 13:49:06 09/21/12 (8)
        
        In Reply to: RE: How many people are NOT upgrading their crossover in the Maggie 1.6s posted by pictureguy on September 21, 2012 at 11:47:55
        
        Pornography? Where?
        
        I must study it so I can make a report on moral degradation for my church group.
        
        RE: How many people are NOT upgrading their crossover in the Maggie 1.6s - cbertra2 14:23:02 09/21/12 (7)
        
        In Reply to: RE: How many people are NOT upgrading their crossover in the Maggie 1.6s posted by josh358 on September 21, 2012 at 13:49:06
        
        My 1.6's sound great as they are from Magnepan.
        
        RE: How many people are NOT upgrading their crossover in the Maggie 1.6s - pictureguy 20:21:45 09/21/12 (6)
        
        In Reply to: RE: How many people are NOT upgrading their crossover in the Maggie 1.6s posted by cbertra2 on September 21, 2012 at 14:23:02
        
        The DO, don't they? Yet, many people with the 'urge' simply can't leave well enough alone.
        
        Modding is perhaps, a form of obsessive / compulsive behavior. Harmless to society, so noboby has yet been rubber-roomed for engaging in it.
        
        I'll join soon, I'm sure.
        
        Too much is never enough
        
        "Yet, many people with the 'urge' simply can't leave well enough alone." ... - andyr 22:38:37 09/21/12 (4)
        
        In Reply to: RE: How many people are NOT upgrading their crossover in the Maggie 1.6s posted by pictureguy on September 21, 2012 at 20:21:45
        
        Those who do "leave well alone" simply don't have the optimising gene. I would say most people don't. :-))
        
        I equate such people to those who are not perturbed by a tap dripping. (Read " Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance " if you have no idea what I'm talking about. :-))
        
        Regards,
        
        Andy
        
        RE: "Yet, many people with the 'urge' simply can't leave well enough alone." ... - JBen 23:11:27 09/21/12 (3)
        
        In Reply to: RE: "Yet, many people with the 'urge' simply can't leave well enough alone." ... posted by andyr on September 21, 2012 at 22:38:37
        
        Ergo, most people are not perturbed by a tap dripping? LOL
        
        Anyway, I am safe...though I can't stop laughing here as you seem to be hell bent on making a tweaker out of evey soul around these parts.
        
        Burn the heretics!
        
        BTW, what has been changed on the Frankies lately? With the new room they are now in you must be having some fresh tweaking fun. : - ))
        
        Nono - absolutely not, JBen. ... - andyr 01:08:35 09/22/12 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: "Yet, many people with the 'urge' simply can't leave well enough alone." ... posted by JBen on September 21, 2012 at 23:11:27
        
        I have absolutely no problem with people who are quite happy to listen as is and have no desire to "improve" their Maggies. As I said, IMO they simply lack the "optimisation" gene - of which I was born with a generous supply! :-))
        
        (Coincident with me getting into hifi - but before I started tweaking - I spent 4 years getting postgraduate degrees in Operations Research ... which is the mathematics of optimising. Since I veered sideways in my working life, out of OR into more "mainstream" computing, I seem to have fulfilled my "Optimisation Disorder" by tweaking my hifi system!:-)) )
        
        What's new with the Frankenpans ... well, yes, the new room is:
        a) a very different layout, and
        b) less than half the size of my last listening room.
        
        So I have them arranged against the long wall ... and sit much closer than I used to (about 9' away from the panels instead of 14'). But the sound is better than I feared it was going to be - and good enough to put up with for 12-18 months till we get our new house built. :-))
        
        Because of the smaller distance away and because they are on the long wall (so there is still about 3' between the ribbons and the side walls), I now have ribbons out.
        
        Regards,
        
        Andy
        
        Optimisation Gene - Norman M 08:36:37 09/22/12 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Nono - absolutely not, JBen. ... posted by andyr on September 22, 2012 at 01:08:35
        
        A mutant form of the sex-linked FOFIU gene. (Fear of F*****g It Up.)
        
        Haha - very good! :-)) nt - andyr 14:42:14 09/22/12 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Optimisation Gene posted by Norman M on September 22, 2012 at 08:36:37
        
        .
        
        RE: How many people are NOT upgrading their crossover in the Maggie 1.6s - JBen 21:12:26 09/21/12 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: How many people are NOT upgrading their crossover in the Maggie 1.6s posted by pictureguy on September 21, 2012 at 20:21:45
        
        "rubber-roomed"? Ahhh, I was wondering what this stuff on the walls surrounding me was! LOL

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