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In Reply to: RE: California now produces more Solar Power than they can use ................. posted by Cut-Throat on July 08, 2024 at 15:53:04
Well, within a month.My first option is to decide where it will be mounted, so I need to know the size and then, maybe, there are different systems I could get. My house is far from ideal setup, which is one reason I've waited. I just have too many trees on my property which provide their 'free' air conditioning services -- or roughly $2000 a year to prune.
(I really just want a nice emergency supply and maybe run air conditioning in the summer, during the day is fine in my climate zone because it cools at night in California. I would consider off-grid, but I know almost nothing about all the mechanics/electrical involved.)
So, right now, I just need to know the mounting system, more or less, so I can get a new roof. Maybe, knowing where the electrical feeder cables will go, would be helpful, too. Kind of complicated, I think. I'm just going to put a few 'universal' mounts, I think, and be done with it for now, though.
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Probably way easier than you are imagining. Go with per panel inverters, so it is simply house AC wiring. Everything is plug and play. Pick a racking system and you see how they can be installed ground or roof or a combination. Another advantage of per panel inverters is that partial shading will have minimal impact.
... and also build a carport, (my garage being otherwise occupied) with solar panels.
The nations' problems would be solved if all new, large parking lots were required to be coved with solar panel roofs.
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Dmitri Shostakovich
I recommend what Cut-Throat said about hiring a professional. It's not just about getting the system installed and running but meeting national and local building and electrical code.That being said, if the main goal is to have emergency power to run your air conditioning during a power outage, solar and batteries are not going to be cost effective at all. You will be better served by a decent size generator as air conditioning is probably the biggest electrical load in your home.... and even a very large and costly battery won't last very long powering your air conditioning.
A 'poor man's' setup could include a smaller generator with a portable air conditioner to cool just one room. On a related note, our previous two story home had central AC but it struggled to keep the upstairs master bedroom cool. Our solution was to buy a portable 120VAC air conditioner (Home Depot, Lowes, Amazon) that exhausted hot air out the bedroom window. It came with a window kit including large hoses (like a clothes dryer hose). This setup worked extremely well as it kept the master bedroom cool w/o freezing the lower floor of the house.
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By far the most convenient solar solution for me would have been to rebuild the remote garage - and trim some trees so it would get some light! Electric heat and EV charging in the garage would have been nice, but as it is Generac was a one day installation at 10% of the cost and my wife needed backup power for her wheelchair lift immediately. I would still like to do the garage if I get time.
More free shit from the liberals.
Just remember: nothing's truly free.
Let's see how fast we can go $50 trillion in debt. We'll save trillions, according to the BBC.
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The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.
... but don't like them for the stuff you don't like.
You piss and moan about wasteful spending but you have no problem with paying oil companies to make more money, or keeping the zombie coal industry on life support.
"Government benefits for me, but none for you."
Check. Got it.
The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.
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Whereas with solar, it's just a huge grift that goes to complete scum, shady renewables opportunists and China.
I repeat, oil is the commodity responsible for the greatest quality of life increase for the most people in the history of civilization. Society should incentivize that.
It's not about what I like. It's about helping the greatest number of people possible. Solar is the opposite. You're taking taxpayer dollars that should be going to the greater good and giving free energy to the people who should be paying for it.
I grew up in coal country. Believe me, subsidizing fossil fuels never served the common good.
It was always about shoveling more money into to the pockets of the wealthy.
I'll gladly give up subsidies for renewable energy if we also stop handouts (no matter what you call them, they're still handouts) to Charles Koch. He doesn't need any more money.
The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.
A sticky issue is that rather than being an indifferent cash vacuum treating all incomes equally, they decided that some kinds of things should be encouraged because they eventually lead to a larger pie from which they always get a slice.
There are a ton of those kinds of things like a tax break if you invest in new production machines etc and ALL of those things are aimed at encouraging growth and hiring more people.
Probably what your thinking of are the other things that were usually added as a result of lobbying and only benefit the group that funded the lobby effort.
Only the largest companies can spend what it takes to get their own laws, only the wealthy can hire those who can "do the books" using all of the breaks in the tax law to absolutely minimize what they pay.
This part of government is of, by and for the money and they are very resistant to change.
Since oil/gas is produced on federal lands, the government has a role.
You are the true socialist. You see taxpayer dollars as a sort of venture capital fund to prop up failing ideologies.
Your war on oil/gas is a disaster--totally counter productive. But tilt at that windmill if you must and cook yourself on that solar panel. Martyrdom seems to be fashionable these days.
Spending government money for your definition of the common good.
I'm against subsidies for billionaires. I don't care what kind of business they run.
You may not like handouts to the oil, gas, and coal industries but you still rationalize them, and all they represent is socialism for the wealthy.
Charles Koch is rich enough to buy himself Sam Alito. He doesn't need my money or yours. But he's getting it anyway.
You're inconsistent. If you really cared about wasteful spending and government debt, you'd be whining and bitching about oil subsidies too.
The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.
Didn't I already say that?
With solar the government doesn't own any of it. Just a corrupt, shoddy bureaucracy using taxpayer money as venture capital to enrich its ideological allies and to hell with everyone else.
That the gov't helps incentivise, invest and produce electricity from free sunlight ....
People using free sunlight is your issue?
Trying to hide from entropy
John K
Oil/gas is the original greentech that stored the sun's energy in plant/bio form and was compressed under the earth at tremendous pressure. A commodity ready to be marketed.
Think of it that way if it helps you.
Solar panels and windmills will cost more than they're worth. Don't believe me? Just keep subsidizing it and see what happens.
Solar energy is not in the best interest of large oil companies and the electric utilities. As such they lobby and fund (bribe) politicians to enact laws making it difficult or impossible for home owners to go solar. Some States are worse than others. Fortunately my State is very solar friendly.The utility company's main interest is in staying in control of your electric power by charging you for consuming it whether THEY produce it from dead dinosaurs or their own solar and wind farms.
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It sounds complicated enough, that I would certainly hire a consultant to get your questions answered, as well as a couple dozen questions that you haven't even thought of yet.
Not something I would want to tackle on my own This also sounds like one of those projects that would cost you twice as much to do on your own, than to hire a professional.
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So, I take it that you don't have solar at your home.
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- George Carlin
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