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Jazz Inmate

In Reply to: RE: I need to make the decision to go solar now, today! posted by jedrider on July 09, 2024 at 11:24:32

More free shit from the liberals.

Just remember: nothing's truly free.

Let's see how fast we can go $50 trillion in debt. We'll save trillions, according to the BBC.

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That you're paying for it, is reason enough n/t - jedrider 04:48:23 07/11/24 (0)
Fossil fuels get more subsidies than renewables. nt - ghost of olddude55 02:54:02 07/10/24 (11)
nt

The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.
- Because they provide for our real energy needs, while solar and wind is a big fraud NT - Jazz Inmate 08:00:39 07/10/24 (10)
  - OK, so you like handouts for the stuff you like... - ghost of olddude55 08:18:08 07/10/24 (9)
    ... but don't like them for the stuff you don't like.
    You piss and moan about wasteful spending but you have no problem with paying oil companies to make more money, or keeping the zombie coal industry on life support.
    "Government benefits for me, but none for you."
    Check. Got it.
    
    The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.
    
    Edits: 07/10/24
    - It's not handouts. It mostly comes in the form of tax shelters for investment, exploration and production - Jazz Inmate 08:29:53 07/10/24 (8)
      Whereas with solar, it's just a huge grift that goes to complete scum, shady renewables opportunists and China.
      
      I repeat, oil is the commodity responsible for the greatest quality of life increase for the most people in the history of civilization. Society should incentivize that.
      
      It's not about what I like. It's about helping the greatest number of people possible. Solar is the opposite. You're taking taxpayer dollars that should be going to the greater good and giving free energy to the people who should be paying for it.
      - So you're a socialist after all. - ghost of olddude55 08:37:52 07/10/24 (7)
        
        In Reply to: RE: It's not handouts. It mostly comes in the form of tax shelters for investment, exploration and production posted by Jazz Inmate on July 10, 2024 at 08:29:53
        
        I grew up in coal country. Believe me, subsidizing fossil fuels never served the common good.
        It was always about shoveling more money into to the pockets of the wealthy.
        I'll gladly give up subsidies for renewable energy if we also stop handouts (no matter what you call them, they're still handouts) to Charles Koch. He doesn't need any more money.
        
        The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.
        
        RE: So you're a socialist after all. - tomservo 10:17:55 07/10/24 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: So you're a socialist after all. posted by ghost of olddude55 on July 10, 2024 at 08:37:52
        
        A sticky issue is that rather than being an indifferent cash vacuum treating all incomes equally, they decided that some kinds of things should be encouraged because they eventually lead to a larger pie from which they always get a slice.
        
        There are a ton of those kinds of things like a tax break if you invest in new production machines etc and ALL of those things are aimed at encouraging growth and hiring more people.
        
        Probably what your thinking of are the other things that were usually added as a result of lobbying and only benefit the group that funded the lobby effort.
        Only the largest companies can spend what it takes to get their own laws, only the wealthy can hire those who can "do the books" using all of the breaks in the tax law to absolutely minimize what they pay.
        This part of government is of, by and for the money and they are very resistant to change.
        
        If you say so - Jazz Inmate 09:30:47 07/10/24 (5)
        
        In Reply to: RE: So you're a socialist after all. posted by ghost of olddude55 on July 10, 2024 at 08:37:52
        
        Since oil/gas is produced on federal lands, the government has a role.
        
        You are the true socialist. You see taxpayer dollars as a sort of venture capital fund to prop up failing ideologies.
        
        Your war on oil/gas is a disaster--totally counter productive. But tilt at that windmill if you must and cook yourself on that solar panel. Martyrdom seems to be fashionable these days.
        
        What else would you call it? - ghost of olddude55 10:48:44 07/10/24 (4)
        
        In Reply to: RE: If you say so posted by Jazz Inmate on July 10, 2024 at 09:30:47
        
        Spending government money for your definition of the common good.
        I'm against subsidies for billionaires. I don't care what kind of business they run.
        You may not like handouts to the oil, gas, and coal industries but you still rationalize them, and all they represent is socialism for the wealthy.
        Charles Koch is rich enough to buy himself Sam Alito. He doesn't need my money or yours. But he's getting it anyway.
        You're inconsistent. If you really cared about wasteful spending and government debt, you'd be whining and bitching about oil subsidies too.
        
        The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.
        
        I'd call it the owner of the land incentivizing investment, exploration and production - Jazz Inmate 12:29:06 07/10/24 (3)
        
        In Reply to: RE: What else would you call it? posted by ghost of olddude55 on July 10, 2024 at 10:48:44
        
        Didn't I already say that?
        
        With solar the government doesn't own any of it. Just a corrupt, shoddy bureaucracy using taxpayer money as venture capital to enrich its ideological allies and to hell with everyone else.
        
        So sunlight is free to everbody .... - JDK 18:00:16 07/10/24 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: I'd call it the owner of the land incentivizing investment, exploration and production posted by Jazz Inmate on July 10, 2024 at 12:29:06
        
        That the gov't helps incentivise, invest and produce electricity from free sunlight ....
        People using free sunlight is your issue?
        
        Trying to hide from entropy
        John K
        
        Indeed. That's what created the oil under the ground - Jazz Inmate 19:28:04 07/10/24 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: So sunlight is free to everbody .... posted by JDK on July 10, 2024 at 18:00:16
        
        Oil/gas is the original greentech that stored the sun's energy in plant/bio form and was compressed under the earth at tremendous pressure. A commodity ready to be marketed.
        
        Think of it that way if it helps you.
        
        Solar panels and windmills will cost more than they're worth. Don't believe me? Just keep subsidizing it and see what happens.
        
        The real problem is big corporations and utility companies..... - AbeCollins 22:58:01 07/10/24 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Indeed. That's what created the oil under the ground posted by Jazz Inmate on July 10, 2024 at 19:28:04
        
        Solar energy is not in the best interest of large oil companies and the electric utilities. As such they lobby and fund (bribe) politicians to enact laws making it difficult or impossible for home owners to go solar. Some States are worse than others. Fortunately my State is very solar friendly.
        The utility company's main interest is in staying in control of your electric power by charging you for consuming it whether THEY produce it from dead dinosaurs or their own solar and wind farms.
        
        Edits: 07/10/24 07/10/24

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