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Did you receive your Tributaries component cables yet? If so, have you tried them as analog IC's to hear how they fare?
Just wondering. I ordered some, too, but due to the fact that the stock of my first length request ran out, it looks like my order might be a bit late getting to me, so I thought I might find out what I should expect ahead of time.
I needed a good digi coax, so thanks for the heads-up! I also am looking to get some new analog IC's for my headphone rig, so I'm hoping that these might actually sound good. It would save me time and money!
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Resolved, To live with all my might, while I do live.
-Jonathan Edwards, resolution number 6
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Not sure why it is not showing up here.
But one connector was deflective so I am waiting for the replacement. They may be out but they sent and email saying they were sending a replacement. To your point, I have not tried them as IC's yet and there is nothing stopping me but my laziness.
Hi TopPop, the Tributaries video cable won't perform well as a line-level analog interconnect. If you are looking for a fine sounding great bargain, I recommend you consider my prior suggestion. In the future, I might post a report about the particular product -- for now, I'll just say that the sonic quality of single crystal copper is not wasted on this deep-discounted cable (worth its list price for that matter):
So I received the Belkin cables right before I left for the library today, and something doesn't seem quite right...
They are, indeed, model # AV50300-04, like the ones you recommended. They look the exact same, with the same plugs, jacket, everything.
However...
The packaging claims they are 99.99% OFHC copper, instead of 99.9997% PCOCC. Also, there is nothing mentioned about silver-bearing solder joints, nor does the packaging mention anywhere "Silver Series".
However, I've triple- and quadruple-checked, and these are the same model number as the ones that I was trying to buy.
Thoughts? :-/
I won't be able to listen to them until tonight, but I will write the seller right now, and hopefully they might have some info.
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Resolved, To live with all my might, while I do live.
-Jonathan Edwards, resolution number 6
Well regardless... these cables are pretty darn good!
They seem to have a very close signature to what you said and what I've read elsewhere, but just a bit closed in. Almost quiet-like. They probably just need to burn-in for awhile, but tonally, they're already what I was looking for, so I'll probably just keep these (whatever they are)!
Thanks again for your help!
Cheers,
Chris
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Resolved, To live with all my might, while I do live.
-Jonathan Edwards, resolution number 6
Less than a day later, I realize now that I would constantly be wondering, "What if the PCOCC is better?"
So I called Belkin, and they're going to swap out for the right ones, no charge! :o)
Very bizarre that the same model would have two different packages, with very different descriptions. Also, upon closer inspection, the barrel plugs are, indeed, different. No doubt: these are different cables... and my mind would not be able to relax without the assurance that I have the right ones!
I'm weird like that.
Cheers,
Chris
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Resolved, To live with all my might, while I do live.
-Jonathan Edwards, resolution number 6
Belkin PureAV seems to indeed no longer feature PCOCC for the particular product. Belkin's web sites information has changed in recent weeks (see link below).
My guess is the cost of PCOCC single crystal copper has simply jumped too high for Belkin to continue using the material for the product to sell at a desired price point. You did a good thing to contact them in order to get the product you wanted, TopPop ;-)
About your previous comment about burn-in, the cable took at least the (somewhat usual) 400 hour mark before a more open sounding soundstage fully developed and for the previously mentioned treble smear to subside.
Hi Duster,
Thanks for your help (as always!). I read your response to my previous post, and remembered that you had recommended these very highly in the past. Can you elaborate on their strengths and weaknesses?
Also, why do you say that the Tributaries won't work well as line-level IC's? Their coaxial geometry?
I thought I might as well try them when they get here before I go buy something else... can't hurt to wait, I guess.
Cheers,
Chris
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Resolved, To live with all my might, while I do live.
-Jonathan Edwards, resolution number 6
After a component upgrade in my studio system, I found I wasn't satisfied with a particular pair of 15 foot interconnects placed on my computer audio outputs. I figured it would cost at least $200 to build a DIY replacement set that would meet my wants/needs; a bit too costly at the time due to recent substantial audio dollar cash outlays for component upgrades in two systems. To make a long story short, the single crystal copper interconnects in question were priced so low that I reckoned a pair would be worth a try. Strengths and weaknesses? The soundstage is well formed, with depth of field image layering, timbral delineation, and ambient information retrieval being much better than expected. While not as slow sounding as typical cheap interconnects PVC (polyvinyl chloride) dielectric, the PE (polyethylene) dielectric presents a warmer than neutral tonality (vs. Teflon), but without a remarkable sense of coloration nor resolution loss, especially for a cable available at such a low price point. The cable requires many hours of burn-in before a buttery sounding treble smearing subsides and the usual list betterments appear after a cable burn-in process. The weakest aspect is most likely the stock rca connectors that look to be nothing special, mundane at best; a good candidate for re-termination with more pricey higher performance connectors, but the issue isn't a deal breaker IMO if one plans to keep the stock rca terminations, as-is. I have not and will not do a direct comparison of the particular cable with my more pricey cables -- I simply don't feel a need to fuss over them since they perform better than expected. While not a giant killer, it’s the best sounding low budget interconnect I’ve come across. YMMV
More so than being a coaxial design, the Tributaries Silver Series SCV C component video cable with quad shielding and silver plated center conductor may perform quite well for video and perhaps digital use, but I don't think it's a safe bet for line-level audio use.
Well, Duster, you've never steered me wrong in the past, and I have always been very grateful for your help and support.
So I went ahead and ordered a 4ft. pair on Amazon. If they're nothing more than "blah", I'm only out $24, but I trust your ear.
I'm almost getting to the point where I just want to buy cheap stuff that sounds relatively decent, and never, ever, EVER come back on here or Head-Fi again... I get into too much trouble when I start buying above the low mid-fi range... I just can't seem to settle for anything there. Seems like I had more fun listening to my music a few years ago. It's a pretty nasty bug, I tell ya.
Thanks again for your help (again!), friend.
Cheers,
Chris
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Resolved, To live with all my might, while I do live.
-Jonathan Edwards, resolution number 6
Nah, you're just going through a rough period in the audiophile journey. We all get frustrated; it's normal. A hobby without challenge is just an indulgence. You've become more aware of what listening cues to seek rather than just listening to the music -- when you arrive at an audio playback performance level based on what you can afford, you can take your audiophile hat off (if you want to) and just get back to enjoying the music, again (more of the music, I might add).
If things don’t sound quite right, you might want to reevaluate any tweaks or other notable adjustments made to your system -- sometimes a change made to a system may have sounded great at the time of discovery, but later down the road is found to sound skewed or simply takes the system gestalt in the wrong direction, if you know what I mean.
Well stated and accurate as hell!
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