In Reply to: RE: This long thread just tells me what commercial SETs aren't.... posted by shane. on September 2, 2017 at 22:12:23:
Maybe we better define filament bias-- what supplies the bias
voltage in your example? Then one could comment...Also, are you aware of the tremendous sonic benefits of self-bias
VS fixed bias?No fixed bias amp has ever reproduced music in a convincing fashion because the bias doesn't vary according to musical demand.
All fixed bias amps sound to me exactly that-- FIXED, not effortlessly flowing as the music is changing.
IF your idea of filament bias includes a power supply for the filament bias, then that power supply is a distortion injection machine, and those effects are easily audible on Hi-Eff speakers.
Biasing using a bias supply (1) doesn't follow musical change well, and (2) is commonly used by salesmen to force tubes to operate at high power,
allowing greater power-per-dollar.Since this max. power level is forced by fixed bias, tubes can be operated close to breakdown, but never go over that limit.
This is a case where more watts equals MUCH less ability to drive a
speaker that has ever-changing musical requirements.One place where old practices and texts were actually right is when
it was noticed, long ago, that self-bias amps greatly outdrive fixed bias models at up to twice the rated power. Jadis (France) took advantage of that and sold a lot of amps in America at lower watt ratings. That bias knowledge was once common, but was conveniently buried as watts-per-dollar became THE sales game.Eventually triodes lost out to pentodes, then tubes lost out to Solid-State. Why? More advertised watts cheaper. Even before solid-state, the game was afoot-- sales people were learning how to get bigger numbers out of tubes.
Self-bias simply outperform fixed bias amps, but there is a cost:
self-biasing using capacitors and a resistor demand a wide-band
capacitor response. No SINGLE capacitor is even remotely capable of providing this.And--- that is why we spend money on very carefully engineered
capacitor bypassing and tuning. It is an attempt to get capacitors
to actually work musically.Since self-bias is superior sonically, the focus falls on the
cathode-bias caps. I'm sorry, but this is the best way to get
an amplifier to talk music, and it costs money whether people
like it or not.-Dennis-
Edits: 09/03/17
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Follow Ups
- RE: This long thread just tells me what commercial SETs aren't.... - tube wrangler 03:40:55 09/03/17 (38)
- RE: This long thread just tells me what commercial SETs aren't.... - shane. 23:47:46 09/03/17 (0)
- Yes - let's define filament bias - andy evans 13:06:12 09/03/17 (12)
- RE: Yes - let's define filament bias - tube wrangler 05:14:06 09/04/17 (11)
- It's no longer a tube amplifier if solid state devices are used in the amp, it's a hybrid. - Caucasian Blackplate 16:20:03 09/04/17 (7)
- RE: It's a hybrid. - Triode_Kingdom 22:56:52 09/05/17 (6)
- convenient...LOL - PakProtector 14:35:16 09/21/17 (0)
- RE: It's a hybrid. - Caucasian Blackplate 07:08:40 09/06/17 (4)
- RE: It's a hybrid. - Doc B. 10:28:11 09/06/17 (3)
- I use that advice... - 91derlust 22:30:47 09/06/17 (1)
- RE: I use that advice... - used-hifi 12:16:38 09/07/17 (0)
- RE: It's a hybrid. - Caucasian Blackplate 10:35:09 09/06/17 (0)
- Agree on parts quality - andy evans 09:19:02 09/04/17 (2)
- RE: Agree on parts quality - tube wrangler 20:54:57 09/04/17 (1)
- RE: Agree on parts quality - Caucasian Blackplate 10:05:27 09/05/17 (0)
- RE: This long thread just tells me what commercial SETs aren't.... - Tre' 07:22:00 09/03/17 (23)
- RE: This long thread just tells me what commercial SETs aren't.... - tube wrangler 12:37:44 09/03/17 (9)
- RE: This long thread just tells me what commercial SETs aren't.... - Tre' 13:21:03 09/03/17 (8)
- well.... - PakProtector 03:19:48 09/08/17 (0)
- RE: This long thread just tells me what commercial SETs aren't.... - tube wrangler 05:27:32 09/04/17 (4)
- Nice post Dennis. - 91derlust 15:53:19 09/04/17 (2)
- RE: Nice post Dennis. - tube wrangler 20:57:19 09/04/17 (1)
- RE: Nice post Dennis. - 91derlust 04:18:58 09/05/17 (0)
- That has to be one of the most honest posts you've ever posted. Thank you Dennis. (nt) - Tre' 10:36:26 09/04/17 (0)
- RE: This long thread just tells me what commercial SETs aren't.... - tube wrangler 02:57:11 09/04/17 (1)
- RE: This long thread just tells me what commercial SETs aren't.... - Tre' 10:35:01 09/04/17 (0)
- RE: This long thread just tells me what commercial SETs aren't.... - Caucasian Blackplate 11:38:02 09/03/17 (2)
- RE: This long thread just tells me what commercial SETs aren't.... - Tre' 11:49:27 09/03/17 (1)
- RE: This long thread just tells me what commercial SETs aren't.... - Caucasian Blackplate 12:00:44 09/03/17 (0)
- The answer is no - Tre' 10:20:57 09/03/17 (9)
- RE: The answer is no - tube wrangler 12:52:21 09/03/17 (8)
- RE: The answer is no - Tre' 13:38:42 09/03/17 (7)
- RE: The answer is no - tube wrangler 03:00:28 09/04/17 (4)
- RE: The answer is no - Tre' 07:45:30 09/04/17 (3)
- I think I need a Silver foil hat... - PakProtector 06:04:03 09/08/17 (1)
- RE: I think I need a Silver foil hat... wait a min sir - used-hifi 10:57:42 09/08/17 (0)
- RE: The answer is no - tube wrangler 21:31:29 09/04/17 (0)
- RE: The answer is no - Caucasian Blackplate 15:27:59 09/03/17 (1)
- Made me laugh. Thanks (nt) - Tre' 20:12:33 09/03/17 (0)