In Reply to: Rethinking this whole thing posted by Commuteman on August 27, 2003 at 09:12:55:
Sound interesting..so lets consider it..My analysis considered only one half cycle worth of energy, with energy storage during the bulk of the half cycle, and possibliy a seebeck return at the end of the cycle, before zero crossing..I assume that would be an opposite polarity return.
Then, after zero crossing, the same occurs in the opposite direction..I'm not thinking that energy is stored on one half cycle then returned on the next....I'm been talking about the entire storage mechanism being empty after each half cycle.
Your scenario is plausible if all the peltier converted storage is converted back..But, the peltier efficiency is maximum with zero temp differential, while seebeck has the worst at that time, so it can't be full return..In fact, as I said, seebeck can only work when the current slew rate is faster than the thermal gradient can move.
So, if there is a seebeck return, it is a pulse just prior to zero crossing, then an opposite polarity pulse near the end of the negative half cycle.
Since the energy transfer function probably won't be sine in shape, I can't guess the overall spectra..But, seebeck return would be like a haversine type ac wave, equally spaced opposite polarity pulses..
My question from before was..does this type of train have a spectra like what is being seen?
Oh and btw...excellent thinking..it certainly did make sense..
Cheers, John
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Follow Ups
- Hmmm. - jneutron 10:19:56 08/27/03 (52)
- So let's double check this..... - Commuteman 13:33:18 08/27/03 (50)
- Re: So let's double check this..... - jneutron 14:06:04 08/27/03 (49)
- that's why it seems to be disappearing into the noise.. - Commuteman 21:42:35 08/27/03 (48)
- Re: that's why it seems to be disappearing into the noise.. - jneutron 04:11:17 08/28/03 (47)
- I'm not sure I missed the point... - Commuteman 17:25:28 08/28/03 (46)
- calcs. - jneutron 04:09:38 08/29/03 (0)
- Re: I'm not sure I missed the point... - jneutron 18:43:57 08/28/03 (44)
- It goes to the other junction - Commuteman 08:46:25 08/29/03 (43)
- Re: It goes to the other junction - jneutron 08:58:31 08/29/03 (42)
- Meanwhile, back in the original discussion...... - Commuteman 13:15:41 09/03/03 (9)
- definitely.. - jneutron 14:14:47 09/03/03 (8)
- "sycophant"... - slope 12:33:44 09/04/03 (1)
- thanks..nt - jneutron 13:55:50 09/04/03 (0)
- Are they both consuming energy? - Commuteman 21:25:55 09/03/03 (5)
- Re: Are they both consuming energy? - jneutron 06:44:47 09/04/03 (4)
- Not so fast buddy..... - Commuteman 15:44:25 09/04/03 (3)
- Re: Not so fast buddy..... - jneutron 05:59:31 09/05/03 (2)
- I'm glad I'm not lifting that sheetrock, although we do need to do that kitchen... - Commuteman 09:39:05 09/05/03 (1)
- I couldn't afford the money I'd want to charge to do this stuff. - jneutron 10:18:06 09/05/03 (0)
- Re: It goes to the other junction - john curl 17:15:57 08/29/03 (31)
- Is that all you can add? Oh sure? - jneutron 17:12:10 08/31/03 (30)
- What is your problem? - Charles Hansen 19:57:17 08/31/03 (29)
- That "cheerleaders without facts" post here" - jneutron 14:09:24 09/01/03 (28)
- Wow, not only are you impolite... - Charles Hansen 14:35:13 09/01/03 (27)
- Wow...technical dialogue for a change.. - jneutron 14:53:49 09/02/03 (26)
- Oh, I forgot to add - jneutron 15:29:03 09/02/03 (0)
- I'm now placing you... - Charles Hansen 15:20:19 09/02/03 (24)
- Weak>> - robotk 04:26:39 09/03/03 (1)
- Re: Weak>> - jneutron 05:34:04 09/03/03 (0)
- Relax will ya. - Hafdef 17:53:19 09/02/03 (0)
- BFD....Personally, I think you're full of hot ayre.... - slope 15:56:02 09/02/03 (3)
- What is BFD?? - jneutron 05:31:50 09/03/03 (2)
- Re: What is BFD?? - LarryR 06:10:54 09/03/03 (1)
- Thanks Larry - jneutron 06:26:31 09/03/03 (0)
- Damn...off by about two minutes.. - jneutron 15:32:32 09/02/03 (16)
- Re: Damn...off by about two minutes.. - jon_banquer@yahoo.com 00:15:05 09/03/03 (1)
- Hi jonB - jneutron 05:53:22 09/03/03 (0)
- Re: Damn...off by about two minutes.. - john curl 00:13:38 09/03/03 (13)
- Oh Geeze, words from the cheap seats.. - jneutron 05:50:10 09/03/03 (12)
- Why do you even bother anymore? - kuribo 10:29:17 09/03/03 (10)
- How do you judge? - Commuteman 13:41:56 09/03/03 (6)
- Hmmm. - jneutron 14:58:45 09/03/03 (5)
- I'll go look for the posts, but am I wrong? - Commuteman 21:42:04 09/03/03 (4)
- btw... - jneutron 10:02:11 09/04/03 (2)
- Now that IS a pointless exercise....NT - Commuteman 10:18:09 09/04/03 (1)
- Perhaps.. - jneutron 11:09:34 09/04/03 (0)
- Re: I'll go look for the posts, but am I wrong? - jneutron 07:10:52 09/04/03 (0)
- Hi Kuribo - jneutron 11:44:52 09/03/03 (2)
- Re: Hi Kuribo - john curl 14:12:08 09/03/03 (1)
- Re: Hi Kuribo - jneutron 14:51:10 09/03/03 (0)
- Yah, I know...it's gnat, not knat...Doh!nt - jneutron 06:30:02 09/03/03 (0)
- double hmmmm. - jneutron 10:36:37 08/27/03 (0)