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In Reply to: RE: REVIEW: IsoAcoustics Inc. Orea Indigo Accessory posted by el34eh@yahoo.com on July 06, 2018 at 09:17:35
Yes, agreed! There is a definite Western mode of thought that says whatever is new is best and contrasted with a Japanese view that the elderly should be honored and one should spend years on a progression of one's craft, audiophiles take note!
I bought my Spatial Audio M3 open baffle speakers used from Audiogon, I'm assuming the seller had not even broken them in yet or tried very hard to set them up properly--just sell 'em and move on. Because of this speakers 94db sensitivity it has been much easier to hear changes with wires and tweaks. This has caused me upgrade my PC's, speaker wire and tweaks mentioned in an effort to get the best out of my system and right now, like you, I am satiated. BUT, one potential problem is that there is a paradox that happens, where the more one is ABLE to listen with greater detail (due to system upgrades etc.) the more one hears deviation from the NORM. This is potential problem number one. The other problem is that our ears adjust or re-adjust to whatever upgrade we hear, then we go back to the Western thought of new-is-better and we desire--MORE. Look at TAS magazine--every issue has the latest cutting edge, highest priced, mind blowing, veil lifting guaranteed (well, almost) to blow your mind, if only you, poor sod, could afford it. (Thanks again for the rant).
I think I'm coming to the opinion that EVERY piece of equipment is a form of tone control, (since no one piece of equipment functions alone) the goal seeming to be Neutrality, but Neutrality in and of itself may be BORING(!), and then we go back to newest and greatest, and our ear/brain becoming accustomed to the upgrade sound. Hence, it is almost impossible NOT to want to change and improve upon, BUT, if we are happy tweaking and listening or just listening, that's great, just beware of the addiction/money cycle! Happy listening!!!
Follow Ups:
Ric....., thanks again for understanding.
As I just got finished reading this:
http://deafcanhear.blogspot.com/search/label/Cable
It was a kind of reminded how various cultures tend to view their systems | cables | power cords | tweaks as well as life, having spent 9 years in Japan taught me two things is nothing else........, how to respect and take care of ones elders ( as very very few of them will place their parents or other family members into nursing homes ) and how to and what to listen for when assembling as system, yet over the years looking at this from an Americans perspective can in fact have us lose sight of the importance of ones music collection itself, as some tend to build their systems based upon how well it showcases their rarest of rare 2-7 LPs or CD's and miss the boat when it comes to owning a vast music collection which cost more then said system....., which in reality it should.
The very first thing I'll look at upon visiting someone's home it their music display, and then attempt to price the cost of their system in my head, without them boasting on and on about how their speaker cables merely cost $37.000 per pair!, my mind goes " like really, yet your system sounds like shite ", so why brag?.
While I'd admit to being somewhat of an extremist when it comes to paying detail to how every component is setup or isolated within my system ( room )I've never felt like second guessing myself when I know all to well I'm able to hear improvements enough so where as to sell off this or that I which sat there beforehand, as I know in my heart it'll never see the light of day in my system once it collectively has enhanced its sonics to a point where I know in order to better it would cost tens of thousands, and in truth......., it's not going to happen as a sense of rational kicks in and says " enough is enough ".
And while I'll occasionally read upon items to assist friends, or merely know what's out there, I stop my subscriptions to the audio rags back in 2010, as I began to notice there was very little more for me to learn, with the exception being this whole Computer Audio thingy, which I now have behind me.
Like you......, I do believe in a sense of neutrality as well as transparency, which is why I can adore CD players made in France | cables from the likes of Audio Tenke | Audio Note " Kondo " | Arcolink | Oyaide made in Japan, and absolutely to my mind believe that Shindo Labs is the most human sounding, not just a brand capable of making sounds akin to music......, but the most emotional connection to an actual breathing human being as if performing before me, tube gear I've ever encountered to date ( naysayers begone ) as well as Accuphase being the very best solid state gear I've heard......., and yes I've heard enough to make said statement ( after all isn't this my post? ) in the end, it's how one decides to voice their systems to their requirements, as I tend to say when someone visits me......, if you feel your mix matched system relays music better?, there's the door......, why don't you get home to it.
At the end of the day, who's ears are meant to be entertained more then our own?, and as for the clowns whom are to busy to learn new tricks and wish to challenge ones words......., do need to weigh the contents of their own systems, as all to often these are the same cats which attempt to proudly show off their vintage 70s Kenwood Turntable | Sherwood Receiver and a pair of Bose or Polk Audio LSs wired with Monster Cables in a gallery somewhere and then tries to talk smack......., I'm simply not buying into it.
Anyways, let me cut back and wish you a pleasant weekend, Hi Mick | Ken | Timmy | Duster and Bill, the same applies to all of you, be well that is.
O_o scar
Edits: 07/07/18
I remember reading back in TAS letters to the editor many years ago about a guy who had written in saying how changing the little faceplate (not the whole thing) on his amp had changed the sound and how a different faceplate (if I remember correctly) had also changed the sound of the whole system. Expecting an audiophile response, I was pleasantly surprised when the reply was how much he and his colleagues had laughed their asses off when reading his letter!
It may be true, this guy may have heard what he heard, but somewhere in between is reality--subjective reality.
Interesting blog on power cords, etc., in the context of German vs. other modes of "how to" make what sounds best.
Been great talking to you, nice to have a more in depth conversation on what most of us would consider a serious subject, audiophiledom being what it is....
I remember that one as well....., I believe it was based upon the golden hues used by Conrad-Johnson | Marantz | Denon | Accuphase gear, which a few of these companies never offers their wares with black faceplates, so I can see said reviewers point.
On the German made cables on a whole, I do believe along with the upscaled Japanese cables and cords there's a lot to be said about them having a sort of perfectionist attitude, much like their automobiles when it comes to their workers taking pride in the quality of craftsmanship they put into each prior to pushing them onto the market, with lots of these items not allowed to leave their countries at all, so what we get here in the states is just a small sample of what the natives get to hear on a daily bases.
Much like the Brits tend to be conservative when it comes to spending money on cables, as I'd to assume they tend to go after cables offered produced for the pro audio market side of things where neutrality and value are sorted first and foremost, yet as you've stated......there a very very fine line between reality and subjective reality indeed.
It has been a pleasure bouncing them back and forth with you as well........, an open-minded sort who gets it, how rare it seems of late.
Have those of you with components centrally stacked between speakers ever heard your speakers perform with an unobstructed soundstage? Consider those components that rise two, three, or four feet feet up into the soundstage as barriers to the efficient flow of musical notes. If the latter don't crash with a muffled sound, they arrive with blurred image definition and leading edge attack degraded by mistiming.
Moving those components to an area outside one of the speakers (or on the other side of the wall centrally behind them) is an inconvenience and a cable expense but it liberates the air space for unobstructed musical flow/ optimum soundstage reproduction.
In my case, the damage was being done by components whose front was two feet behind the back of the speakers where I found the soundstage to be wide, deep, and unforgiving of any obstruction higher than 12" off the ground.
As I was fortunate earlier on ( circa 1990 - 2003 ) to be in a nice townhouse where placement of the gear placed onto a rack which stood 16" high, was located on the right wall about 6' in front of the speakers.
Since then I've always felt comfortable with custom made Sound Anchors Amp Stands ( Racks ) where each is 13" high, and centrally located between the speakers without any sort of mishap as far as sound staging goes, and feel that currently I'm getting the best sonics I've ever had, so much so I'm not inclined to change one component, and am now looking to add one of their Amp stands made which the top shelf is maxed at 7" from the floor in which my DAC shall reside.
It seems to me that during my time spent with either Linn or Roksan Turntables, which where to be perched atop stands between 8 - 14" from the floor on stands from the likes of Sound Organization or Mana Acouctics or Roksan nicely made tripod stands where amongst the first which could be safely placed between once speakers without any said ill effects......, I've come to believe it's the tower type designs in racks or wall units which have it worst in regards to limiting the flow of notes as their wavelength is diffused by said side panel interactions.
As noted during my stay in Japan, the natives always seem to use rather lower racks | platforms, where some even had these items located in cutout into their flooring placed atop dirt or slabs of granite......., and in each case they proved very effective.
Placement of all components is vital, as a means of canceling out sound waves patterns as well as resonance control as far as I'm concerned......., which lead to the original topic on these isolation footers, as being one of the only brands short of Shun Mook | Symposium Acoustics which I was able to hear their sonic impact within a few bars, and how have 3 different sets of them which shall be placed into the system accordingly.
Cheers, mate! (not British, but like the saying, just sayin'....)
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