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In Reply to: RE: neotech wire posted by henrylr on January 18, 2013 at 11:06:06
the neotech silver is perhaps the nicest currently made though cotton sleeving, while having great mechanical vibration control, has a DC of 3.5 or higher depending on the weave. Silver oxide is not what is formed under normal conditions, what is formed is silver sulfide which is not a particularly good conductor so having non-cleanable silver airtight is preferable.
Mark one end of the conductor and run the return the opposite direction, do this the same for both ic’s. Listen to the ic’s in your system then change their orientation, ie flip them around and listen again, one direction will give a higher soundstage, better HF response, and better spatial cues. This is a technique pioneered by the late Bob Crump, he said the difference was more profound with silve
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Flipping both ICs at the same time works only if they are known to be directionally the same to begin with, which may or may not be the case. Otherwise, the ICs have to be flipped one at a time until both are in the correct direction. Just like flipping fuses .
try re-reading what I posted before posting something so counterproductive and unhelpful.
You shouldn't post on subjects that you are clueless in. You are just being an ass....
You list yourself as a manufacture. What do you manufacture and for whom?
AS an aside, I plan to treat the neotech wires with Cortec vcpi238, insert each wire in cotton, insert the cotton and wire combintation in ptfe and seal the ends. I've gotten a lot of different ways to combine the wire assemblies. Do you have any recommendations?
if you click on anyone’s moniker and industry orientation you should be able to see the information you are looking for. I own Tel Wire.People a few years ago got all excited about cotton because they got a very low DC figure from a company that makes a sensor to read values of raw materials in storage. In this case it was raw cotton from the plant which has a lot of air space giving the low DC. Woven cotton has a much higher DC and that is what is used to make sleeving, fabric, etc.
My recommendation would be to use an RCA that allows you to connect solderlessly. Solder sucks sonically. I think that is a tongue twister. Keep the conductor in the Teflon but make sure you mark one end of the length you have prior to making it into an ic. Make sure both ic's have the center conductor running the same way and the return running opposite. You can use Q-dope to protect exposed conductors or make the same thing yourself with methlyethlyketone (MEK, get at paint/hardware store) and dissolve a bunch of the polystyrene (white packing Styrofoam) into a few oz of it till it is like honey-ish. Let it sit a day or two to let the titanium dioxide (white color) to settle out and you have the same thing as Q-dope.
If you have made the ic’s already then it is what it is. Trying to figure out directionality of wire once you’ve lost track of that initial orientation via flipping one ic as Geoff suggested is a fool’s errand and will drive you nuts. Directionality of a wire is due to the last way it was pulled through the dies to make it the gauge that it is. The micro-abrasions on the surface of the wire dictate the directionality of the wire.
Using cotton with the ic construction is fine but not as the first material your conductor contacts. It is great at reducing mechanical vibration which is significant and most likely what people are hearing and incorrectly attributing to a lower DC. You have to remember that none of these factors by themselves is going to make an ic completely unlistenable, unless extreme, but will certainly hamper that ic’s performance when compared to one built addressing them.
Edits: 01/31/13
Thanks for the reply. You say that cotton is not the first thing the wire should contact. The neotech I bought has a very tight fitting thin coating of teflon. Should this be left on the wire, insert the teflon coated wire into cotton, and insert the wire/cotton combination into ptfe tube, seal the ends and strip the coating off the exposed ends for connection. I don't want to use any shielding so why wouldn't just connect the teflon coated wire as is, strip the ends and connect them to RCAs?Thanks,
henrylr
Edits: 01/31/13
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