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In Reply to: RE: Do Crystals Work? The Experiment posted by Maxamillion on April 04, 2011 at 17:50:28
and see what they tell you.
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One problem with using your ears is that there is grey matter between them, and there is ego's embedded in that grey matter. Human nature does not allow for completely unbiased opinion that after spending bucks and time on a tweak that the grey matter honestly believes (after all that work) that it does sound better. Or sometime during the process one got over their indigestion or the ambient temperature/atmospheric pressure went up/down or any for the other million things that affects our beings
So it goes.........
I respect your opinion, but do not agree with it.
It's like many times someone will say because a person spends alot of $$$ on an item (not crystals, their cheap) That the more expensive will sound better because "ego's embedded in that grey matter" and the person has spent big $$ on an item.
I do not follow this type of thinking as my own experience has shown me that many times when I have compared items, I have on a number of times preferred the item that doesn't cost as much, sometimes much, much less it was silly. We can be Ego based people, but some of us have gotten over our Ego's!
What I do see, often, is people whose ego is attached to a notion that, since the negligible part of science they managed to wrap their heads around, doesn't explain WHY something could work - it truly doesn't work.
We can argue hard science .vs "what out ears hear" until we are blue in the face and never come to a solid conclusion. We all make our own reality. Some people believe in the fairy tale story of Jesus. Despite the fact that science, historical facts and even common sense fly in the face of the story, it is very real to millions of people.
What we need to crack the crystal debate wide open is the following scenario:
Find a group of audiophiles that praise the power of the crystal. At least 10. Have them listen and compare the same system set up the following ways:
1. No crystals
2. Crystals
3. Bags of colored plastic that look like crystals
Let the audiophiles know when 1. is being used, but do not hint to the fact that any plastic crystals are being used.
Have the audiophiles rate any 5 attributes you can think of.
I would be willing to bet large sums of money that scenarios 2 and 3 would receive equally high praise .vs scenario 1.
Only if there were significantly higher praise for 2 then 3 would you be able to prove the existence of God.
"Idiocracy" had it all wrong. We'll be there way sooner then 500 years!
to your scientific graphs. you might consider putting different colour LED's for different divers, that way you will know when your hearing the tweeter and not get confused and think it's the woofer. :O)
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You still end up using your ears in the end, to make the final determination, don't you?
I do not try every tweak that becomes a fad. I will choose based on what I think makes sense and perform the tweak, if it does no harm it will stay.
I just find that most of the differences I have heard in the past are so small that I consider it a waste of time and would rather be just listen to music. I actually spent weekend without making one change, just listening
So it goes.........
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OK, the reason for these experiments is that I have a very specific issue I would like to address, namely, some residual low level noise in an EQ unit for my speakers. The noise spectrum looks almost exactly like what is in the plots below. I have been able to greatly reduce the level of the noise using TI-Shield around the power supply, and was wondering if crystals would help lower it even more. Based on my data, they will not, so I do not need to listen to them for that purpose.
Listening tests for other applications will need to wait as I am in the midst of tearing apart and rebuilding the power supply for my tube preamp using a CLCLC topology and low DCR chokes. I have found that the best way to audio nirvana is through actual circuit changes, not minor tweaks - tweaks have their place, but only as final touches, IMO.
It would be interesting if you could test a carbon fiber AC outlet cover and report your results.
Crystals should probably not be viewed as some sort of universal salve, a panacea, a silver bullet. They can't necessarily solve all the woes that might plague one's system, like residual noise. They are not magic beans. But used properly they can transform the usual generic, paper-mache sounding system into a much more accurate, entertaining and musical one.
The best laid plans of mice and men oft go awry.
Tootles
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