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In Reply to: RE: A modest, Solomonic proposal posted by caspian@peak.org on January 05, 2011 at 21:02:54
This forum, as I've understood it, is for inventors and explorers, not just measurement experimenters. While you can approach invention from both angles, discounting the clever that works because you can't pin down a provable theoretical basis is actually counter-productive - here and in the "rational" world!
So this nonsensical "You gotta prove it to me, or you're an ass" type of derogatory post is the problem, not the validity of the posters awe at their latest discoveries (real or imagined).
Yes, if someone is trying to sell something to you, you should certainly ask for proof that it works as advertised. But this place is not supposed to be about sales at all.
So those of you whose bias is clearly showing, go read Stereophile instead, where JA gives you more measurements than many of us can even comprehend. (That's not a swipe at Stereophile or JA, BTW.) If you're going to participate in this type of forum, however, you need to be more polite and a bit more open in your inquiries that the more than one poster who has been temporarily sidelined.
There is NO reason for someone who basically doubts these tweaks to hang out here and troll for a fight.
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"So this nonsensical "You gotta prove it to me, or you're an ass" type of derogatory post is the problem,"
Correct me if I'm wrong I might have missed it but I did not see in any post where Steve Eddy addressed anyone with that language.
He did challange some to explain their premis and possibly back it with theory. At times the exchange got heated but more so by those whom Steve questioned. It does no good to paraphrase for someone who cannot answer for themselves. And it now seems to me because he cannot answer for himself you all seem to want to come out and be a bunch of tough guys.
Steve kept telling us to raise the bar on scientific proof. Had he done so in a polite and respectful manner, he'd still be here to dispute what he doubts so much.
I'm not here to nail Steve. I'm here to hear what others are experimenting with. That's what some folks here lately seem to be trying to kill. And I think that's both the essence of this forum and the essence of the problem that's bedeviling it, in that order.
YMMV, of course.
Naturally, we're still discussing S.E. here. He never asks anyone to prove their listening impressions, it's only when they make scientific claims that they run afoul of his dogged pursuit of reality.
If you claim a scientific fact, you need research to back it up. "audibility" is different than "sounds better to me". The former means that it's perceptibly different on its own. I'd say that DBT/ABX mask some things that are audible, and thust have their own issues, but that's another issue.
Just don't make claims that rely upon science or statistics and you're in the clear.
Bass is supposed to sound big. 6.5" is not a woofer size.
in his mind's eye adding the word definitely as in "are definitely audible" makes it scientific. To me, that's a personal qualifier, stronger than I heard it most of the time and a lot more than I think I could tell, not a statistical claim. And who's to say, in different systems, with varying qualities of power supplies, AC variability and noise/distortion levels and ambient noise levels, it may not even apply.
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