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In Reply to: RE: R1 bass shy? posted by kuma on February 01, 2010 at 21:33:33
....his comments leave me scratching my head.
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They're not bass shy. Could be that he's either confusing the long break in necessary for bass to come in full, or he's confusing the balance between articulate bass and the rest of the spectrum. No accounting for taste and he has a right to his.
I suppose I should have been clearer: I have never heard an R1, but I remember, perhaps incorrectly, that someone reported its sharing a house sound with the SWO-XXX, which is most definitely bass shy. I know, I own one, and I bought it based on a very strong recommendation from someone who now recommends the R1 strongly--perhaps even as strongly as he used to recommend its predecessor.
If the R1 really is different, i.e. has a more natural tonality than Oyaide's earlier offerings, it might work well in my system. So tell me, do you think the SWO-XXX outlets are bass shy, and if you do, how does the R1's bass compare?
But the R1 is smoother while more nuanced and is definitely NOT bass shy.
You know, some if this stuff is synergy and idiosyncratic when you get right down to it.
I prefer the R1 over the XXX and the XXX Ultimo, both of which I have, as well as the Furu CU. All of them are good in my system, but R1 is most balanced presentation and gives the most detail.
I have settled on Porter Ports after listening to Furutechs, SWO-XXX & GX, Acme, and Hospital Grade Hubbells (not sure of the model number). Only the Hubbells worked in my system and the Porter Ports were quite a bit better than the Hospital Grade outlets that I had. My system components all have a high jump factor--Audio Research, Thiel, and Wadia, so high energy outlets give me too much of what I already have plenty of. I'm sure that in another system the Hubbells could sound sluggish, but in mine, a little sluggish is good--except in the bass. My 10" woofers, which are inherently slow, could use a little jump, but the midrange and tweeters have all the jump they need.
The SWO-GX outlets sounded acceptable in my system, but were definitely light on bass. Actually they had a number of attributes that I found objectionalble--a little imprecision, some colorations that some might find euphonic but that I found sort of "hi-fi" sounding. They shared a sort of precise sound that the XXX outlets had, but that I found rather artificial sounding. I can see how someone might like the Furutechs, but they gave me some extra slam and treble "purity" that I just didn't need. The treble tended to be more piercing than pure on my system.
You may have noticed that a lot of tweaks that are supposed to improve your sound add energy to it. This is not always a good thing. Without ever having heard them, I suspect that this is true of Bybees, and I suspect it just because of the enthusiasm of its followers--an indication of how radically they change the sound--something I really don't need presently. I really would be interested in getting some tightness in my bass, but not if it includes energizing the upper frequencies. Do you think the R1 would give me what I'm looking for?
Is what sounds best to your ears.
If you can afford to buy and try (on approval of course) an R1, then I'd say to do so.
But what may be bedeviling you is not just the outlet, but RFI/EMI control issues. REad up in Tweaks about how to deal with those.
If your HF sounds too "hi-fi", bright or shrill for your ears, I'd bet you have RFI problems, as pretty much every household does!
The RFI in my system has been controlled in may ways--Alan Maher power conditioners, Environmental Potentials power conditioner, RGPC, crystals, power cords shielded with ERS, and QR8's. One thing to keep in mind is that a Thiel isn't a Vandersteen and a Wadia isn't a Rega. I took a look at your system and I can tell you from experience that components that sound good with NAD electonics are probably bad candidates for the sort of razor sharp components that I have. NAD equipment definitely benefits from added jump--Wadia doesn't.
Paul,
You seem to have done most of what can be done that I know of for RFI control. So, you're right, that's probably not your issue.
However, you may be making an incorrect assumption about the R1 based on my system.
It's your taste that matters, anyway; not mine!
nt
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