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In Reply to: RE: Agree, but....... posted by jea48 on September 21, 2008 at 06:44:47

"Sure they have.... They are not to be used in a residential occupancy."

With all due respect..no they haven't. There is nothing in the NEC code that stipulates a self contained balanced power conditioner is not to be used in a residential setting. Hard wiring a balanced power transformer into a residential power grid is against NEC but show me where using a balanced power conditioner in a residenatail setting is against NEC?

" One thing for sure, the "qualified personnel" would not remove the GFCI protection."

Who said anything about removing a GFCI?

Mind you, I have no dog in this fight, just trying to establish a baseline on residential use of balanced power of which the NEC is very vague in their stipulations and if it is such a big issue, how can Platinum Power, BPT, Equitech and others provide balanced power components to the consumer with no legal ramifications?

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RE: Agree, but....... - jea48 10:57:24 09/21/08 (3)
> > There is nothing in the NEC code that stipulates a self contained balanced power conditioner is not to be used in a residential setting. < <
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Nor will there or should there be. That is outside the scope of NEC.
Like I said in an earlier post I do not know if cord and plug balanced power systems are Listed for residential occupancies.
You could find out for sure. Just contact any manufactures of the devices and ask them if their units are Listed for home use.
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> > " One thing for sure, the "qualified personnel" would not remove the GFCI protection."
Who said anything about removing a GFCI? < <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Maybe you should take the time to read all of the responses given in this thread.
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> > Mind you, I have no dog in this fight, just trying to establish a baseline on residential use of balanced power of which the NEC is very vague in their stipulations and if it is such a big issue, how can Platinum Power, BPT, Equitech and others provide balanced power components to the consumer with no legal ramifications? < <
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Again contact these manufactures, ask them point blank if their 60/120Vac equipment is Listed by UL or CSA or any other recognized Listing agency for home use. If the answer is yes I am sure they would be more than happy to send you a copy of the Testing agencies specific uses for the equipment.
As for NEC they are quite clear where and what balanced power, 60> 0 <60 can be used for.
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I am not here to tell someone whether they should or should not be using a 60/120Vac system in their home. My only intent is to inform the readers of this forum what NEC has to say about it.
Bottom line just be careful.
Do not defeat any safetys.
Test the GFCI protection on a regular basis. Keep a log, when was the last time it was tested.
Make sure all other family members understand though the outlets may look like any other outlet in the house, the power source is not the same. And they should never use the outlets. They are strickly for your audio equipment.
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Here is some food for thought.
Under the new NEC 2008 Code all 120Vac receptacle outlets in a basement shall be GFCI protected, no exceptions.
Now this does not affect existing homes and installations but it will effect new homes and new branch circuit installs in existing homes.
As of now not all cities and States have adopted the NEC 2008 Code. For instance in my City and surrounding cities the 2008 Code will not go into effect until January of 2009.
Here is another 2008 code change that could be interesting.
All conveniece outlets in a residencial occupanies shall be the child proof tamper resistant type.
Suppose Oyaide is working on that one as we speak?
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- RE: Agree, but....... - kenster 14:24:02 09/21/08 (2)
  "You could find out for sure. Just contact any manufactures of the devices and ask them if their units are Listed for home use."
  
  LOL, why should I have to ask manufacturer, shouldn't it be clearly documented in the NEC code if it was such a big deal?
  
  "Maybe you should take the time to read all of the responses given in this thread."
  
  Please don't insult my inteligence brother, I was responding to you.
  
  "As for NEC they are quite clear where and what balanced power, 60> 0 <60 can be used for."
  
  When it comes to residentail self contained balanced power units, no they don't. Show me the NEC code that prohibits a self contained balanced power units use in a residential dwelling?
  
  "All conveniece outlets in a residencial occupanies shall be the child proof tamper resistant type."
  
  What the hell does that mean? Should we wear helmets when plugging in our components? Jebus fuckin' christ man, we are turning into a fucking nanny state...this has to stop!!!!
  - And here I thought we were having a constructive civil discussion - jea48 18:05:41 09/21/08 (1)
    "You could find out for sure. Just contact any manufactures of the devices and ask them if their units are Listed for home use."
    LOL, why should I have to ask manufacturer, shouldn't it be clearly documented in the NEC code if it was such a big deal?
    
    No
    
    "Maybe you should take the time to read all of the responses given in this thread."
    Please don't insult my inteligence brother, I was responding to you.
    
    Your ignorance is showing. I'll let others reading your response decide your intelligence
    "As for NEC they are quite clear where and what balanced power, 60> 0 <60 can be used for."
    When it comes to residentail self contained balanced power units, no they don't. Show me the NEC code that prohibits a self contained balanced power units use in a residential dwelling?
    
    Like I said before, if a piece of manufactured equipment has a cord and plug then the equipment does not fall under the jurisdiction of NEC.
    The equipment should be tested and Listed by UL or CSA, or some accepted testing agency.
    "All convenience outlets in a residential occupancies shall be the child proof tamper resistant type."
    What the hell does that mean? Should we wear helmets when plugging in our components? Jebus fuckin' christ man, we are turning into a fucking nanny state...this has to stop!!!!
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    Edits: 09/21/08
    - Lighten up bro... - kenster 21:22:49 09/21/08 (0)
      ...I apologize if my levity offended you...

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