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In Reply to: RE: I have the same PEs on the same outlet posted by audionutge@yahoo.com on March 24, 2008 at 07:49:16
Sour grapes...;-)"Here's an idea, and we offer these too for those of you who do not know we carry AR products, the Acoustic Revive QR-8 chips offers excellent tuning and filtering options. Pull the duplex out from the wall and install one or two chips on the rear of the duplex outlet. Another options for those who own a balanced power conditioner is to install 4 chips to the bottom of the case near the conditioner foot, and a 5th attached to the transformer nut and bolt. He also adds 2 chips per rear duplex outlet. This is an excellent electrical tweak that doesn't break the bank"
Edits: 03/24/08Follow Ups:
Yes we like the quartz dots...that about it...keep in mind I'm in the business to move product. It was a last ditch attempt on Jens part to off load the product line, considering we only sold one set of dots since we took the line on last summer, there is no love lost on my part. besides I'm getting ready to lauch a new line of products and I will spending a lot of time promoting them after I get off the road in july.
Alan
All the best, I hope you spend more time focussing on your own line than denigrating another one just because of our differences over a mere RR-77. RR-77 is just only one of the dozen or more tweaks offered by Acoustic Revive, there's no need to throw the baby out with the bath water just because of this. Just to let you know that the Oyaide stuff you sell too has a close relationship with Acoustic Revive, not because of the US distributor, but because in Japan, the 2 companies Oyaide and Acoustic Revive work very close together, and their CEOs Satoru Murayama (Oyaide) and Ken Ishiguro (AR) are good friends too. Oyaide promotes and sells Acoustic Revive products on its on-line sales too. If Acoustic Revive are so colored as you state, is Oyaide wrong to promote and sell them too? ;-)
I can’t figure if you’re trying to irritate me over this nonsense the past few days or if we have a language problem. You continue to throw things at me in order to get a rise out of me, but it doesn’t change my mind or prove your point, you have offered no science to prove your theory, with the exception that it sounds good. If you lack the working knowledge that is fine and I can accept that, but my opinion and professional expertise is still valid. One may argue that I make a product and I’m downplaying the possible competition, but I have no intensions of reproducing this product because I don’t believe in it. As I stated in the past, I tried the product and thought it was not for me, I was going to put it in a professional install, but the product didn’t live up to it’s claim, I’m sure other opinions differ from my own, but for the application it didn’t work. I don’t really care if the folks over at AR and Oyaide are the best of buds, that means absolutely nothing to me, I have tried both product lines and I see no similarities whatsoever in tonal qualities. For every one product you can throw at me I can throw back 500 that sound exactly the same, what does that have to do with anything? Last August I sat in a studio with 3 engineers plus myself and a producer, we all heard the results from the product and none of us were all that impressed. It’s not an issue that the product doesn’t offer an audible tonal change in close proximity, as I said to you the other day; the issue is how it achieves the audible change. Leaking EM to increase tonal warmth is not rocket science, there are literally hundreds of ways to achieve the same thing, it doesn’t make it right, but it sure does offer an audible change. The question is what makes this marketing theory better than the others? Hopefully we are now finished with this conversation; I have nothing more to add to this subject. Please understand I’m not trying to be rude, but I am starting to get fed up because we have been at this since the moment I hoped on line last Thursday evening. I’m sorry I missed all the hoopla on this crap the past few weeks, but I was on the road with Gary Moore earning a living, don’t want to deal with it when I haven’t slept in 60 hours and 4 or 5 days later it’s still being debated by throwing marketing literature at me, I personally don’t have the patience for that, I’m sorry, but there are more important things to talk about. I also get the impression you are a AR dealer or some form of rep and like I said the other day I don’t want to listen to the party line, especially when I’m trying to explain how the circuit works to help people better understand how to properly use the unit. Let me say that again, I didn't tell them not to use it, I told them the way they used it was wrong, and I still stand by that argument. In conclusion I think we should just agree to disagree and call it a day, I’m finished debating you on this topic.Regards
Alan Maher
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Frankly I am no representative of AR, but I am an ardent tweaker, and been infatuated with all tweaks particularly from Japan. Acoustic Revive is merely one of the many tweak brands that is offered from Japan, there are so many there if you ever travel to Japan. However, it is among the most reputable one over there, offering to present scientific explanations for their gadgets whereas most often do not. I currently own about 2/3 of their tweaks in their catalog, the exception being their cables as I like Acrolink more. I discovered this brand not in Japan, but in Thailand, when I was looking around at their hifi centre a few years ago. Unlike you, I don't question too much into the science behind how they work, and respect and accept the explanation given by them on their website. It is sad that you use your expertise and knowledge to bully people into thinking that you know more than AR does. I have already shown that you once sold the AR products you now disparage, and in addition your SO even praised one of the product as an excellent electrical tweak but you now say it is the only one you like but it was unsellable. (The fact that you discovered these immeidately after our debate on the RR-77 is only too coincidental) I then went to explain that not every company like yours think AR makes colored products, and offered Oyaide as an example. But then you say they make different things. Of course you choose to miss the fact that Oyaide does make different plugs that can affect how the sound tone is reproduced, ever compared their gold plugs against their rhodium/copper/palladium. Where do you think their different tone comes from, with copper berrylium being their most neutral. Remember your advice "I search for musical truth and accuracy and don't like coloration products" ;-). In addition, the "science" behind your PE tweaks is also questioned by others like Occam and Art at Audiocircle as marketing hype too, so don't let the kettle call the pot black ;-)
Btw, if you like to delete your threads, I will too... I have no wish laying this out in the open.
I have been to Japan for business and pleasure many times and love the local culture.I have to stop you for a second; we are not airing anything out in public. I have no personal beef against you, but you appear to be a little over zealous in your argument and constant stalking over my every last word.
I took the AR product line on the end of July 07’ as part of a package offered by the US distributor. I have to admit, I have only tried a couple of there products. As I have stated in the past, I do like the Quartz dots, they are small and fit into a lot of tight places making them an easy recommendation for those trying to lower ringing in particular applications. The RR-77 is the other product I tried, and my thoughts on the product are now well documented.
“The fact that you discovered these immediately after our debate on the RR-77 is only too coincidental”
Your statement is inaccurate and misinformed. Our web site has undergone several changes in the past month. We dropped the PE IV due to poor sales, raised the price of the PE III because of market differences on gold wiring, started to promote the new PE V and Reference series, and are now in the process of weeding out the accessory page. AR didn’t sell so I pulled the line; it’s as simple and straight forward as that.
Every web site has their share of ego’s, and AA and AC is no different. Opinions always vary in electrical theory 101. Sometimes they vary because of a ligament theory with no other possible options, and other times they differ because the opinion is offered by someone trying to hold the reigns and feels threaten, or uses the site to sell a product and noticed a loss in traffic to his posts, many different reasons. Many times over the years here at AA I have been an idiot because I throw out ideas with no explanation to start conversation, I have been called a guru at other times, and other times I have been an expert on the topic. Do you know what all that means to me personally, absolutely nothing? I do my best to try to help people and inject conversation to try to make people think outside the box. The Hammond choke idea is an outside the box concept and it has hopefully taught people that tuning offers a million times more musical satisfaction than all in one component. The PE series works the same way, the idea is to have them think outside the box and teach them about the ins and outs of harmonic tuning, and what power factor correction can offer. The concept of this kind of circuit tuning is old, but no one ever took the time to explain to the buying public why they received an interaction, and how that interaction can be used in the overall scheme of the things, to use the interaction to fully voice the system as one entity instead of multiple types of components coupled together. I just recently noticed one of the audiophile companies starting to mention my concept for circuit tuning using their product line, I didn’t get the credit and that’s ok, it’s credit enough to me that we pushed the theory enough this year to have the big boys start to take notice, maybe this will force them to think outside the box and pushed their designs forward, only time will tell.
The PE just celebrated its one year anniversary the beginning of March for the consumer market. We started the A-gon ad last spring. To be honest, I offered the PE as a way to pull through a low while I was in between jobs, I never thought it would have gone past 3 months, I thought I’d sell a few and that would be it. I made the mistake, I don’t remember if I was already helping Chris design a DIY PLC or I sent him a pair of PE’s to try, but the next thing I knew he wrote a wonderful review on the product and the sucker took off like a rocket ship. Da Costa is a close personal friend of mine, and he knows I think of him as a men among men, he and I are like two peas in a pod, and over the coarse of this past year I have asked him to review some of my designs because his exposure to high-end goodies trumps over mine own, if you ask me to look into pro gear I know all the latest and greatest, but I lack knowledge in consumer high-end tweaks and filtering. I pay very little attention to other manufactured designs, because I’m desperately trying not to copy someone else work, so I pester Christopher every once in awhile for his opinion and find him to be a wonderful asset to my design skills. Our relationship is such that there is no ego, we lay everything on the line, “I like it” or “I didn’t like it, and here’s why”, his opinion that I value literally helps me design a better product. But here we are a year later and I have built over 500 of these things on my kitchen table, it’s literally amazing that it has lasted this long, and I have everyone here at AA and AC to thank for it for pushing the idea and believing in what I was trying to do.
The other day I made a major boo boo, I thought I was trying to help, but instead it has become a disaster. For whatever reason I’m in the stage of internet guru again, and everyone appears to be hanging on my every suggestion, sometimes this is good for me and sometimes it’s not, this particular situation was definitely a not, I lost a couple good clients, several sales, and a good friendship with someone I have conversed and helped numerous times over the years. What you guys have to understand is when I come off the road I come home to hundreds of emails from folks all looking for advice and assistance, and between my schedule, filling pre-order sales, designing the next latest and greatest, and rehearsals I have very limited time to answer everyone in detail that their situation requires. I had the idea a couple weeks back that I would take one of my client’s situations and dissect it all the way back to the service entrance into the home and explain in great detail how to tune using my method from point A to point B and everything in between. I’m not one for writing books and I thought I could address the situation over several pages and address everyone questions as they came up. The point behind the exercise was to take what the average audiophile already owns and show them a different way to use it in order to help the overall presentation. I’ll give you an example, how many times have I said the choke effect was local???? I already know the answer, I have said it a lot of times, but did you also know the choke could be used on non-a/v circuits as well and still be heard through the a/v system? Local should imply same phase, but I don’t remember if I ever mentioned that way before, so this is what I was trying to get at, a single reference point for the mass audiophile community that follow my hair brained schemes an overall reference guide to help them dial in their preferred perfect sound and video quality. Somehow the effort I thought that would be positive took a wrong turn and now that plan is moot. The offering was not to belittle or inject my “expert knowledge”; it was a time issue for me. Part of what I do in the off season is to design and act as a consultant for studios, both commercial and private, and mastering facilities. My job is to design an overall electrical network to cancel noise without the standard roll off effect of traditional filters. I use an arsenal of goodies to achieve the concept within a particular budget. The concept doesn’t require the individual to be a rocket scientist, but you do have to have a little patience and the understanding that every situation is different, and no two situations will ever have the same solution. This is an easy concept for owners to understand, especially when I’m hired to design multiple rooms and they all required different schemes to sound exactly the same, but the audiophile community is a little different. They spend a lot of money and expect plug and play results at a drop of the hat, not an easy trick when you have them move the filter from outlet 1 to 2 and ask them what was the tonal difference, patience with my concept quickly gets thrown out the window, and they want exact placement details. Exact placement details from me is completely impossible, unless I am physically in your home fine tuning the circuit from scratch, I can only provide basic advise and try to walk the client through the tuning process by ear, again not an easy process because everyone hears things differently, so the best thing I can say is,”this is what I would expect” and try to move on. Fine tuning a circuit is a black art, there is no doubt about it, for every one tuning product I can throw another 500 out that sound exactly the same, but the trick is it might not sound the same in location one as it does in location two, but the plug and play community want it to sound the same in every location, and that is understandable for your hard earned bucks, but it’s not reality. I’ll give you an example; plug two identical Hammond 193L chokes into the same duplex one at a time. I guarantee no two chokes sound completely identical for various reasons, the same is true for everything else, and so patience is definitely a virtue in my line of work. There are times I spend one or two weeks tuning one circuit, because every time something is added the circuit goes through a wild swing and requires several days to settle and every world voltage response time is different. The US requires 10 to 12 days, Europe is 6 to 7 days, and the UK and Australia require 7 to 10 days, and so on. With that understanding there is no way that I can provide exact plug and play advice, and I don’t know anyone in the business that can, we all have our basics that work 9 times out of 10, but there is always that one situation that has to be different, so that has to be taken into account when I sit here and type away.
For those of you who are following the banter back and forth and are getting a good chuckle, I no longer, and I haven’t for the last couple of days, see Mr. Birds comments as an argument for or against a product, I see and read into it as a personal attack on my character. I earned my reputation, for better or worse, through my generosity to help others, without ever asking for anything in return. My opinion more than others has been called into question, by what appears to be a hit squad. Throwing comments made by my wife, which by the way has nothing to do with AM designs, is pretty low to begin with, Jennifer doesn’t speak for me, and most of the times calls me up while I’m on the road to help clients with 60,000 questions. I have said this before and hopefully this is the last time I have to say this, Jen is in the US Military, she works on average about 16 hours a day and 6 days a week. She is only here to answer basic questions, process pre-orders already in the pipeline from before I went out of town, and mail out whatever we have available in stock within her available personal time frame, that’s it boys and girls, nothing more and nothing less. The majority of folks that contact her are good people and are very enjoyable to talk too, but there are a handful that are rude, insulting, nasty, basically a well rounded asshole, that kind of behavior doesn’t fly well with me, as I would assume it would not fly well with anyone here that respects women. In these situations I refuse to sell to the individual, it has to be understood that this behavior is not tolerable. I respect passion during a debate, lord knows I have been known a time or two to express passion about a particular subject, but passion doesn’t excuse a bunch of 50 and 60 year old men acting like they are kids in a school yard because they are able to hide behind a computer screen. If this is how you behave with all transactions then a word of advice, I don’t want your money. For most who know me, I’m from Jersey, so I’m an ass by birthright, I grew up on the Jersey shore and I’m well versed in the wannabe Tony Sopranos of the world, but I’m also known for giving my right arm to anyone who needs it, so all I ask in return is to have a pleasant experience during a transaction / interaction.
In conclusion, I will be home for the next couple of weeks, if anyone is interested in trying the tuning idea, start a new post and we’ll spend some time walking through and answering all questions. I will put the link on my web site for future reference.
Kind regards,
Alan Maher
and neither continue to have any beef with you. You are the great Alan, and alas I am just a troublesome bird whom you are accusing now of attacking your character. I hope you look in the mirror sometimes and notice that crack on it, it may be missed when admiring the shining glory of your achievements. As for losing your customers and friends, just hope you are not also blaming this on me too. Just take it as a valuable lesson in humility...and move on. Bye
All have moved on, why wake up a dead fish ?
Howdy
Note that I am serious (and a moderator who's been offline for a while.)
-Ted
HotbirdNobody blames you, it's a different issue.
I have to be honest, I don't know who you are and I don't know if you ever purchased from me. I'm sorry, but I don't put two and two together between forum name and actual name. I honestly have no idea who you are???
Alan Maher
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