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In Reply to: RE: Negative Ions????????? posted by rick_m on October 01, 2007 at 16:14:25
Be interested to hear of your results. I have tried that zerostat approach too, but I won't attempt to influence your sonic perceptions. but I guess in saying so I probably did already.
Still I'd be interested.
Just joined our local lapidary society, and one guy has tons of tourmaline in quartz matrix available, too. I'll be interested in investigating the possible effects of two piezoelectric minerals.
Stu
Follow Ups:
Actually Stu the comment was a forlorn attempt a humor. I've never gotten "into" the negative ion thing. Don't even know how to tell 'em from the positive variety. I suppose that using the Zerostat you get one flavor on the squeeze and the other during the release.
Not sure what you're referring to as the Zerostat approach. I got mine years ago to help get the dust off of records when the polonium strip in my dust brush had gone through too many half-lives. I wanted something that wouldn't wear out, and it hasn't. It did fall apart once but I MEK'd it back together. I also use it for preliminary ESD testing of PCB's. While not exactly a Schaffner, it does provide some insights and is much easier on the wrist. Do you zap CD's? I've not tried it but I bet it could help. It's hard to see how a whirling polycarbonate disk could fail to develop some interesting charge patterns. Sort of a circular Wimhurst machine.
You know, I think I will try it. Sounds like fun. However I actually rarely use the ol' CD player anymore. The computer has turned out to be a largely satisfactory source, and so very handy...
Rick
didn't mean to put you on the spot,. My apologies if I came across that way.
A while back when the Bedini Clarifier came out and such there was a discussion about the effects of demagnetizing a CD (actually, there seems to be a minor controversy about it). One postulate was that it simply was eliminating static as an explanation for the sonic effects. Using the Zero stat and comparing the sound of a demagnetizer ( a tape degausser works just fine, BTW) was interesting and since we're this far along, produces a different sonic presentation.
As for static itself, I've often wondered about it myself. Since digital signals are simple pulse codes, could a static discharge be perceived as a change in the data stream? In a conversation I once had with an analog to digital engineer, he mentioned that for his medical work, true 20 bit resolution was very difficult to achieve because of 1/f noise, at least nt to the point where his medical gear could guaranty 100% accuracy. This was about 4 to five years ago and perhaps things have changed, but he definitely fingered random power supply noise as one culprit.
I do use the demagnetizer frequently and often, BTW, even for my LP's, and I notice now that Furutech has an LP demagnetizer... That I figure should be right up your alley, expertise wise. Then again it's one more aspect to puzzle about in audio and human sensitivity.
Stu
Hi Stu,
Not offended at all. I was just trying to verify that you meant using it to zap the disks rather than to sniff ionized air.
I imagine there are several possible ways that a spinning charge can affect CD players. It may simply be picked up by the circuitry or do something like physically attract the focusing lens assembly causing additional modulation of the focus coil current.
All that is easier to imagine than what magnetic effects there can be with a vinyl disk. I don't know of a mechanism. A CD on the other hand at least has the metalized layer that one can probably induce eddy currents in which could conceivably have some effect.
It's always bothered me that the CD metalization is typically so thin. I can see the label printing from the business side of the disk if I hold them up to the light. Well if I can see it, surely the pickup can also and it must introduce at least a small error term in the signal. And yes, being digital with ECC it shouldn't overtly not come through, but we all know that some if it may sneak in the back door.
1/F noise is both part of the universe and a statistical surprise. The big bang still echoes, luck really does run in streaks, semiconductor crystals have defects and we don't live forever. But digital is at least overtly free of it. Actually it's not but we force it out of band by keeping stuff powered when in use. I sure don't miss rumble.
I bet you'll enjoy the stone folks, fanatics are fun. Other than picking up souvenirs I've never been one, but used to go their annual shindig in Sweet Home just for an outing.
Rick
Problems with these theories arise when one begins using the zapper on cables and *non-audio* related items in the room or adjacent rooms, -- e.g., clothes in the closet(!).... I implore you, why would that improve the sound? :-)
GK
Well: you'll have to be more specific...
Plus I don't know of what theories you are refering to, as I didn't postulate anything on zapping cables or non audio components. Don't quite see a connection to crystal rocket fuel either, so you'll have to pardon my ignorance.
8^)
Stu
I know you didn't. Now, I suppose you're going to tell me you've never tried zapping cables or non-audio items. For shame!Who said there's any (direct) connection to a crystal fuel rocket engine?
Cheerio, GK
that smacks of utilizing a scientific principle of reduction of static charges! I simply changed the decor to all red and use red jacketed cables exclusively, in odd numbers, of course.
8^)
Stu
Mr. Smarty Pants, please be so good as to tell me how reducing static charge in another room can affect the sound. What is the scientific principle?
Cheerio!
now you're adding more qualifications, but nevertheless, since static electricity is involved as your comments seem to indicate, and that static electricity is an occurrence rooted in 'science', quite obviously there can not be any acceptable 'scientific' explanation.
It would be like attributing a causation to explain why I get zapped at Vegas when shuffling through the casinos' carpeting and touching the brass fixtures. There can be no other explanation other than a 'mysterious' field pervading the universe. After all, I can get zapped in the elevator, in the lobby, and even in other hotels!
8^)
Ah, c'mon GK, lighten up, didn't you see the smiley face? I'm just pulling your leg.....
Stu
I couldn't resist
Stu
Not sure how an anion could be of benefit except that it would be more than willing to give up that extra valence shell electron for charge neutralization.
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