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RE: Amperage available at an outlet?

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In Reply to: RE: Amperage available at an outlet? posted by jllaudio on November 03, 2007 at 10:36:15

The 20a outlet will have one blade turn 90 degree if the electrician follows the rule, is he licensed?, if not he is not qualify to install your electrical system.

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In most cases these days, electricians use the dual-purpose outlets... - SQLGuy 11:01:17 11/22/07 (0)
they have a T-shaped neutral terminal so they can take either 15A or 20A plugs. If some of your outlets have one T-shaped slot and others have two straight slots, that will distinguish them.

As for code, the 2005 NEC - 210.21(B)(2) - allows the use of 15A or 20A outlets on a 15A circuit, but 20A circuits must use 20A outlets.
RE: Amperage available at an outlet? - jllaudio 20:32:42 11/03/07 (10)
I don't see any blades in the outlets with a right angle.
- RE: Amperage available at an outlet? - budm 09:20:02 11/05/07 (9)
  You better tell your electrician to come back and install the correct outlets for the 20A circuit for free and also lable the panel and the outlets properly, is he licensed? If you look at the Elite-20pf, it will have the neutral blad turned 90 degree.
  - Yes, No, Maybe - Russ57 11:40:25 11/08/07 (8)
    I do hear what you are saying and kinda agree. But there is nothing wrong (code wise) with installing a bunch of 15 amp receptacles on a 20 amp branch circuit as long as the wire is rated for the 20 amps.
    
    Actually when you consider that home breakers (by code) are only good for 80% limiting a 20 amp breaker to an actual maximum draw of 16 amps.
    
    Russ
    - Another thing, proper wire gauge for 20A circuit - budm 20:41:40 11/08/07 (1)
      Hopefully that if the electrician is too lazy to install the 20A outlets, or even label the breakers or the outlets so his customer does not have to figure out himself which is which, I hope he did not install 14AWG wire instead of the 12AWG wire for 20A circuit as it should be for less voltage drops on the outlets.
      - A case can be made for 10AWG - Russ57 07:07:09 11/09/07 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Another thing, proper wire gauge for 20A circuit posted by budm on November 08, 2007 at 20:41:40
        
        Given the lengths audio types go to I think over sizing the wire is a cost effective upgrade. If the load is high enough and left on all the time payback can be rapid.
        
        I have mixed feelings about the 20 amp receptacles(5-20R). If we are getting anal why not go straight to a L5-20R.
        
        Russ
    - RE: Yes, No, Maybe - budm 20:32:50 11/08/07 (5)
      Yes, and the 15A outlet is derated to 12A and that is not always true with the AC power distribution products like ELITE-15PF or the outlet strips, or relocate-able outlets products. It depends on under which Ul listing category you want your products to fall under even the product has the 15a or 20a outlets in them. Luckily, Furman supplies two power cords for the 20A products, one has 15A plug and another has 20A plug.
      - RE: Yes, No, Maybe - jllaudio 07:07:22 11/10/07 (4)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Yes, No, Maybe posted by budm on November 08, 2007 at 20:32:50
        
        Since I found the outlet connected to the 20 amp breaker, I have a UPS plugged into that and a Furmnan 20pfi plugged into the UPS. My Audio/Video equipment is plugged into the Furman. The Furman did come with a 20 amp plug. Right now I have the straight blade plug plugged into the UPS. The UPS only came with a straight plug. It is a APC 1300 RS LCD UPS.
        
        RE: Yes, No, Maybe - budm 17:25:57 11/10/07 (3)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Yes, No, Maybe posted by jllaudio on November 10, 2007 at 07:07:22
        
        Is this UPS a true sine wave/true on-line or one of those step sine wave type? The ELITE will not like to be fed with step sine wave.
        
        RE: Yes, No, Maybe - jllaudio 17:53:05 11/10/07 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Yes, No, Maybe posted by budm on November 10, 2007 at 17:25:57
        
        I've sent an email request to APC asking the Sine Wave question. As soon as I get an answer I'll let you know. The main reason I want to use the Power Conditioner into the UPS is the frequent sags and surges provided by Detroit Edison (free of charge).
        
        RE: Yes, No, Maybe - budm 19:16:22 11/10/07 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Yes, No, Maybe posted by jllaudio on November 10, 2007 at 17:53:05
        
        How does your system sound with the ELITE-20PF setup?
        
        RE: Yes, No, Maybe - jllaudio 05:48:01 11/11/07 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Yes, No, Maybe posted by budm on November 10, 2007 at 19:16:22
        
        It sounds good to me. I have the Furman 20PFi. My system is listed under jllaudio in "Inmate Systems"

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