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In Reply to: RE: Help me pick SET monoblocks posted by morricab on August 26, 2017 at 04:44:47
LOL - Only certain McIntosh sells well on the second hand market. Soundhounds sold an $8000 MSRP amp for $2000 (and it was STILL a current model). Some hack on a forum got pissed at me and phoned them to which they confirmed - that's sucky resale value. But yes you are correct that some of their older tube amps MC275 do well second hand.There are plenty of nostalgic collector tube amps and LS-3/5a, Quad ESL 57 type speakers. Reminders of childhood dreams or whatnot. Again different thing. AN isn't the only brand that does well second hand but of current produced gear there ain't much. I have sold an AN-K/Spe, J/Spe, Turntable (TT2/arm3/IQ3) and E/Lx - in all cases I got 100-120% of what I paid for them. And I can sell my OTO for 20% more than I paid. This again is different than buying something from the 50s and getting more than you paid - not apples to apples. Show me some integrated amps and speakers that sold NEW in 2000-2005 that you can sell now for more than it sold for then.
Again TAKE YOUR PERSONAL OPINION OF SOUND OUT OF THE EQUATION. You say McIntosh suck but not everyone agrees with you - plenty of people happen to like the sound of McIntosh tube amplifiers - they're not my cup of tea either BUT they're successful and have been for decades. Plenty of reviewers like the sound of it better than most everything else. I don't love them and you don't love them but it is wrong to think "If I like it it is good, and if I don't it it stinks" It stinks to you.
I wax poetic on AN and some other brands and sure I will tell someone that I like an AN E a helluva lot more than a B&W N801 but the N801 isn't crap because I don't like it. It's not "not successful" because I don't like it. I am not going to deny B&W, McIntosh, Magnepan and numerous others their due just because I don't happen to enjoy their takes on music reproduction.
Sales Success isn't a direct indicator to good sound - but a lack of success isn't a direct indicator of good sound either. Gee these five companies went out of business (or sorry lost an entire continent because no one bought any of them) they MUST BE FABULOUS because they didn't sell against any of the competition!!
PS: My Wharfedale Vanguard (E series) from the 70s and 80s has a company that does nothing else but restore this ONE line of Wharfedales. That in no way makes them "still relevant or still on the map" - My dealer SOundhounds is a full (and I mean FULL) restoration and repair outlet - they can repair and restore EVERYTHING including any Apogee, Quad, Acoustat) That does not mean any of these old things are in any way shape or form on the map. People are merely getting their broken down speakers fixed. No more to read into it than that.
See Wharfedale restoration -
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Dude, I can get all kinds of AN gear for WAY less than it retails for...just because you found some suckers doesn't mean we all are. Every pieces of gear we demoed recently was available for at least 30% under retail (the used gear for less than 50%). Audiomarkt is full of AN stuff selling for way under retail.
I can buy an Oto for 1500 CHF. The new price is well over 4000. Typical markdown with age. If it was only 1500 new 15 years ago then AN has been pretty aggressive in its price hikes.
You are talking out your ass if you think most AN gear is selling for more than it costs. Does it lose less value than some brands, maybe.
"Again TAKE YOUR PERSONAL OPINION OF SOUND OUT OF THE EQUATION. You say McIntosh suck but not everyone agrees with you - plenty of people happen to like the sound of McIntosh tube amplifiers - "
What personal opinion? I give you an example of gear that holds its value well that's all. You keep blah blahing but you miss the point that I was responding to your comment about success financially and sound...now you want to backtrack and give all your rationalizations...save it you made the remark live with it.
"Sales Success isn't a direct indicator to good sound - but a lack of success isn't a direct indicator of good sound either. Gee these five companies went out of business (or sorry lost an entire continent because no one bought any of them) they MUST BE FABULOUS because they didn't sell against any of the competition!!"
If it was then you would own B&W speakers and McIntosh amps. Sales comes down to dealer bias as well and margins they get from manufacturers. If you think otherwise, go into the business and see. One brand will be pushed over others with nothing to do with sound but profits. Simple economics that eludes your grasp.
No one will ever take an Apogee to your Soundhound nonsense.
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