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In Reply to: RE: Issue is System Architecture, not FW vs. USB posted by Tony Lauck on June 28, 2011 at 14:28:43
about universal bus not being universal. It's a money pinching solution albeit at high prices. I used to fiddle for hours with carburettors that were basically a device that didn't work. The number of compensatory measures that had to be built in mirrors that of usb trouble shooting.
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When you say that USB isn't "universal" I think that's a quibble over a marketing term that has no meaning. I suppose it could be a veiled reference to "universal Turing machine" which might not be a term with which you are familiar.
As to USB not "working" this is a category error. The USB is, first and foremost, a technical specification which provides physical, electrical and logical details of how devices can communicate. It is sufficiently general, if not completely "universal" and as such can be used to do many things, some of which can be stupid. In addition, and this is my main beef with USB, it is quite complicated and so these implementations (primarily inside specialized chips) almost certainly have bugs and limitations. In addition, vendors take these chips and butcher putting them into computer systems. But the same can be said of simpler interfaces, e.g. SPDIF where people use the wrong impedance connectors.
I never had any trouble with carburetors. I learned how to tune the dual Weber carburetors on my Lotus Elan by ear and nose. Carburetors became unmanageably complex only after absurd government regulations were put in place. I've had many more problems with the electronic fuel injection systems that replaced them.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
is that we are discussing technical aspects of an interface and I personally give no truck to marketing terms.
If you give no truck to marketing terms then why do you constantly snipe that USB isn't "universal"?
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
I am not marketing usb but commenting as a user.
You appear to be.
If you look at the websites of some usb audio manufacturers you will see versions in praise of usb transfer which is on the edge, or crosses the line of truth.
If you give no truck to marketing terms then why do you constantly snipe that USB isn't "universal"?Fair point. As a mathematician, you are no doubt familiar with Charles Dodgson/Lewis Carroll. Remember Alice in the Looking Glass ? One of the characters Alice met behind the mirror was, of course, Humpty-Dumpty:
'I don’t know what you mean by "glory," ' Alice said.Humpty-Dumpty smiled contemptuously. 'Of course you don’t – till I tell you. I meant, "there’s a nice knock-down argument for you!" '
'But "Glory" doesn’t mean 'a nice knock-down argument,' Alice objected.
'When I use a word,' Humpty-Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'It means just what I want it to mean – neither more nor less'.
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things'.
'The question is,' said Humpty-Dumpty, 'which is to be master – that’s all.'
I find it hard to say whether fmak's incessant rants are as irritating as they are ill-informed or the other way round.
But perhaps it's just an optically-isolated illusion. In other words, there are no grounds for it.
Edits: 07/01/11
Good reference. Malice in wonderland.
> 'The question is,' said Humpty-Dumpty,
> 'which is to be master – that’s all.'
...
> I find it hard to say whether fmak's incessant rants are as
> irritating as they are ill-informed or the other way round.
Careful, fmak will take offense at being compared to a cracked egg. Or maybe just a bad egg. Or just the butt of the yolk.
Bill
"But perhaps it's just an optically-isolated illusion. In other words, there are no grounds for it."
Fabulous line!!!!!
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
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