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RE: What DACs can play 24/176 or 24/192? RME or TC Electronics

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Dynaudio_Rules

In Reply to: RE: What DACs can play 24/176 or 24/192? posted by jpbeckaudio on October 10, 2009 at 11:36:50

There are plenty others too, the TC line is usually firewire or coax/toslink while RME offers USB/coax/toslink.

Do a little searching on the digital board and here for 24/192, I am sure plenty of DAC's will come up...

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RE: What DACs can play 24/176 or 24/192? RME or TC Electronics - SeVeReD 15:34:14 10/10/09 (12)
hi Dynaudio ... thought I'd chime in here so people aren't confused. My RME Fireface 800 (and the 400) both do 24/192 and take in firewire, not usb.
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- RME Fireface UC - Dynaudio_Rules 16:20:26 10/10/09 (9)
  The 400 now has a USB interface....see web site
  
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  - http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_fireface_uc.php (Open in New Window)
  - FF 400 usb hmm interesting but... - SeVeReD 19:31:13 10/10/09 (8)
    that's new eh? but I'm betting that usb is limited to 48,,, or 96 at best.
    Vista64prem http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=352.msg4021#msg4021 >WAV/CUE files on HDDs via fW400;[XXHE player Q1 4 Q2 26 Q3 26 Q4 0 Q5 0 processor appt.#3;player priority low;thread priority realtime, unattended];>pci FW800>FireFace800
    - No... - Dynaudio_Rules 03:00:46 10/11/09 (5)
      All you have to do is read the site and you will see its a full 24/192...it's literally a Fireface 400 with USB.
      Features
      The Fireface UC features all of the proven RME analog and digital circuitry. It is the only device in its class with active jitter suppression, enhanced stand-alone functionality and complete controllability from the front panel, highly flexible I/Os in professional quality, and an unsurpassed 648-channel matrix router - at sample rates of up to 192 kHz.
      
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      Edits: 10/11/09
      - RE: No... - SeVeReD 20:58:51 10/12/09 (4)
        
        In Reply to: RE: No... posted by Dynaudio_Rules on October 11, 2009 at 03:00:46
        
        hiya,
        just because I know these dac companies can be confusing with their... 'works up to 192K...' only later to find that means only the spdif input but not the usb (like my stello), I decided to fire off a question to RME
        ...
        Does the new USB input on the Fireface 400 work at 24bit/192khz also? If not, up to what rate does the USB input accept?
        Thanks,
        ...
        and got this reply back from RME
        "
        Hello,
        the USB input is for data, not audio. The unit will work up to 192k, though.
        
        Regards
        Daniel Fuchs
        RME
        "
        Anyone else confused like me?
        Vista64prem http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=352.msg4021#msg4021 >WAV/CUE files on HDDs via fW400;[XXHE player Q1 4 Q2 26 Q3 26 Q4 0 Q5 0 processor appt.#3;player priority low;thread priority realtime, unattended];>pci FW800>FireFace800
        
        Edits: 10/12/09
        
        Its In The Manual....The USB is for AUDIO.... - Dynaudio_Rules 19:52:54 10/13/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: No... posted by SeVeReD on October 12, 2009 at 20:58:51
        
        10. Driver and Firmware
        10.1 Driver Installation
        After the Fireface has been recognized, (see 9. Hardware Installation) the hardware assistant
        finds a Fireface UC Win (serial number). Please note the Win. If Mac is displayed the unit has
        to be disconnected from the computer and its firmware has to be changed to Win (see above)
        prior to installing the drivers.
        Insert the RME Driver CD into your CD-ROM drive, and follow further instructions which appear
        on your computer screen. The driver files are located in the directory \Fireface UC Win on the
        RME Driver CD.
        Windows now installs the driver of the Fireface UC and registers it
        as a new audio device in the system. After a reboot, the symbols of
        mixer and Settings dialog will appear in the task bar. The red Host
        error LED extinguishes.
        In case the warning messages 'Digital signature not found', 'Do not install driver', 'not certified
        driver' or similar come up: simply ignore them and continue with the installation.
        In case the Hardware Wizard does not show up automatically after connecting the Fireface,
        do not attempt to install the drivers manually! An installation of drivers for non-recognized
        hardware will cause a blue screen when booting Windows!
        Possible reasons why a Fireface is not found automatically:
        � The USB port is not active in the system (check the Device Manager)
        � The USB cable is not, or not correctly inserted into the socket
        � No power. After switching the Fireface on, at least the 7 segment display has to be lit.
        
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        Someone is FOS - Dynaudio_Rules 19:47:36 10/13/09 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: No... posted by SeVeReD on October 12, 2009 at 20:58:51
        
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        Wow! - - Barack Obama & John Belushi ... - AbeCollins 23:41:11 10/14/09 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Someone is FOS posted by Dynaudio_Rules on October 13, 2009 at 19:47:36
        
        ..and then I put my glasses on. Whew!
        
        LOL.....At first glance you are right.... - Dynaudio_Rules 13:15:41 10/15/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Wow! - - Barack Obama & John Belushi ... posted by AbeCollins on October 14, 2009 at 23:41:11
        
        Better keep those glasses handy Abe.
        
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    - RE: FF 400 usb hmm interesting but... - fmak 22:03:25 10/10/09 (1)
      No, the 96 k limit seems to be a softeware limit by those who don't want to write proper assync drivers. Even cheap Musiland does 192k reliably on usb.
      - RE: FF 400 usb hmm interesting but... - SeVeReD 22:12:03 10/10/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: FF 400 usb hmm interesting but... posted by fmak on October 10, 2009 at 22:03:25
        
        ooh that's right, I remember you saying that...
        do I hear a dig in there somewhere hehe.
        Vista64prem http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=352.msg4021#msg4021 >WAV/CUE files on HDDs via fW400;[XXHE player Q1 4 Q2 26 Q3 26 Q4 0 Q5 0 processor appt.#3;player priority low;thread priority realtime, unattended];>pci FW800>FireFace800
- RE: What DACs can play 24/176 or 24/192? RME or TC Electronics - jpbeckaudio 15:46:13 10/10/09 (1)
  So, I take it that a guy can have a DAC that can play 24/176 and/or 24/192, but only in the right circumstances?
  - RE: What DACs can play 24/176 or 24/192? RME or TC Electronics - SeVeReD 19:37:52 10/10/09 (0)
    When you say dac...
    If you have a dac that can accept 24/192 and you pass 24/192 to it... then your good to go... but
    the 'hard' part is getting the 24/192 out of you're computer intact and not re/down sampled by windows or your soundcard... usb won't cut it at 24/192 yet ,,, right guys? Go to www.phasure.com and talk to PeterSt if you want an assured way of doing it. computer/hardware options
    At the moment I'm only using the Fireface 800 as a "pass through" firewire to spdif to my Stello DAC. The Stello DAC only accepts 24/96 so that's what I'm limited to... I'm using the Stello as a DAC instead of the Fireface because the Stello sounds marginally better.
    Here's a link to a discussion about a Naim Audio DAC that's coming out that maybe is going for the extreme 384 rates or higher? but maybe not...
    http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/naim-Audio-does-DXD
    Personally, I'm putting my bets on a combination of PeterSt's XXHighEnd as a player and a DAC he is creating. The player is out, and with the latest version 9y-4 PeterSt has developed something he calls 'arc prediction' upsampling. At the moment it can take a 44.1 and upsample it to 176.4. The math he's developed for it is made to work best with a NonOverSampling DAC 24/192 (maybe higher?)... one that he is creating and a bunch of us are chomping at the bit to try. My Stello is an OS DAC, but still knocks my socks off with his arc prediction upsampling at 88.2.
    Vista64prem http://www.phasure.com/index.php?topic=352.msg4021#msg4021 >WAV/CUE files on HDDs via fW400;[XXHE player Q1 4 Q2 26 Q3 26 Q4 0 Q5 0 processor appt.#3;player priority low;thread priority realtime, unattended];>pci FW800>FireFace800
    
    Edits: 10/10/09 10/10/09 10/11/09

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