• RE: Panel toe-in, yes or no? - bryan 07:01:24 02/18/11 (5)
  In Reply to: RE: Panel toe-in, yes or no? posted by ahendler on February 17, 2011 at 11:20:35

  Nice to see someone with speakers out in the room and who makes placement a priority. I'll bet the sound is open, dynamic and 3D. Looks like a dedicated listening room too, so why don't you put some bass traps in the corners and smooth out the frequency response? Could be the best thing you ever do. And not expensive.
  

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  • RE: Panel toe-in, yes or no? - ahendler 07:34:20 02/18/11 (4)
    In Reply to: RE: Panel toe-in, yes or no? posted by bryan on February 18, 2011 at 07:01:24

    My experience with room treatments is not good. You fix one problem and cause others. I feel that most friends I have that have done room treatments have sucked the life out of there systems. I like live rooms and the bass responce in my room is really quite good.
    Alan
    

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    • RE: Panel toe-in, yes or no? - bryan 08:38:39 02/18/11 (3)
      In Reply to: RE: Panel toe-in, yes or no? posted by ahendler on February 18, 2011 at 07:34:20

      Corner bass traps don't kill a room. The corners of a room are not reflection points, but they are places where bass builds up the most in a room. Reflection point absorbers would kill a room and I'm sure many treated rooms suffer this fate. I find (just) corner bass traps clean up the bass so well that the mids and highs sound a lot cleaner too, and therefore things seem livelier in a sense.
      

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      • RE: Panel toe-in, yes or no? - ahendler 08:49:01 02/18/11 (2)
        In Reply to: RE: Panel toe-in, yes or no? posted by bryan on February 18, 2011 at 08:38:39

        What products for corner bass traps would you recommend
        Alan
        

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        • RE: Panel toe-in, yes or no? - bryan 09:18:37 02/18/11 (1)
          In Reply to: RE: Panel toe-in, yes or no? posted by ahendler on February 18, 2011 at 08:49:01

          GIK Acoustics and Real Traps both make dedicated triangular shaped corner bass traps. I have product from both and Real Traps is a better build and finished product, but also more expensive. Performance wise, I'm not sure which ones are better, and it would depend on how much coverage you're using. By the looks/size of your room, I'd say the smaller/narrower GIK would work well. I'd go with four of them if you can swing it. One in each corner. I do have 4 of the GIK corner traps myself, and they work great. Friends have remarked about how smooth the overall frequency response is in my room. And I've taken the corner traps to one persons place and they did their magic there too. A pair of them costs about as much as a pair of entry level cables, and provide far more benefit.

          • GIK Tri Traps   (Open in New Window)

          
          

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          • RE: Panel toe-in, yes or no? - Mr_bill2 17:48:38 02/23/11 (0)
            In Reply to: RE: Panel toe-in, yes or no? posted by bryan on February 18, 2011 at 09:18:37

            Very nice, thank you.
            

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• RE: Panel toe-in, yes or no? - Mr_bill2 06:28:45 02/18/11 (3)
  In Reply to: RE: Panel toe-in, yes or no? posted by ahendler on February 17, 2011 at 11:20:35

  Hey ahendler, I've noticed some similarities...How do you like the phono section of your Shindo? Just got my Shindo Aurieges recently and have really enjoyed it immensely!
  

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  • RE: Panel toe-in, yes or no? - ahendler 07:37:18 02/18/11 (2)
    In Reply to: RE: Panel toe-in, yes or no? posted by Mr_bill2 on February 18, 2011 at 06:28:45

    The Shindo both line and phono is simply a product that people who love music should really hear. What is amazing about the phono section is that it is dead silent which for a tube phono section is amazing
    Alan
    

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    • RE: Panel toe-in, yes or no? - Mr_bill2 07:52:16 02/18/11 (1)
      In Reply to: RE: Panel toe-in, yes or no? posted by ahendler on February 18, 2011 at 07:37:18

      Alan - It had seemed to me Shindo and panals would be a match made in heaven. And it is. I have also considered tube amps as well but need relatively hi wattage to make my ETs sing, thus the CAM-350s. Though the ASL hurricanes have intrigued me from time to time. I take it you are happy with this combo? - Bill
      

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      • RE: Panel toe-in, yes or no? - ahendler 08:50:43 02/18/11 (0)
        In Reply to: RE: Panel toe-in, yes or no? posted by Mr_bill2 on February 18, 2011 at 07:52:16

        I couldn,t be happier. The 200 watts from the Hurricanes are plenty of power. Even at 100w triode there is no power problem
        Alan
        

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• Nice rig! - Eddieh 00:02:29 02/18/11 (0)
  In Reply to: RE: Panel toe-in, yes or no? posted by ahendler on February 17, 2011 at 11:20:35

  Your room size and layout is very similar to mine but I use quite a bit less toe-in. Think I'll play around with it when I get home.
  
  From the look of all that glass I'll bet it can get a wee bit warm in that room sometimes, LOL!
  

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