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In Reply to: RE: Sunfire vs. McIntosh Amp for Magnepan 3.6 posted by pictureguy on September 25, 2010 at 23:58:13
A “high-current” amplifier is capable of delivering power into low impedance loads (speakers)
without going into protection and/or shutting down. Ideally, an amplifier’s output power would double
every time the load presented at its output is halved. For example, an “ideal” amplifier rated 250
Watts @ 8 Ohms would deliver 500 Watts @ 4 Ohms, noting that the load has halved and the
power has doubled. In actuality, a “real-world” high-current amplifier capable of 250 Watts @ 8
Ohms might be delivering about 425 Watts @ 4 Ohms.
An easy way to identify a “high-current” amplifier for use with home consumer electronics is
to look at what happens to the power rating as the impedance of its load (speakers) drops. The
closer the amplifier comes to approaching the “ideal” amplifier scenario, the more current the
amplifier is capable of delivering and the better the sound reproduced by the speaker.
In a typical amplifier-speaker circuit, voltage and current are delivered to a very complex load
consisting of speaker drivers, resistors, inductors, and capacitors. Voltage may be thought of as the
potential to do work, and current as what actually flows to do the work. Although basic power may
be calculated by the simple multiplication of voltage and current, it is the delivery of the power from
the amplifier to the complex speaker load that accounts for why two amplifiers may have the same
power rating into identical impedances (speaker loads), but still be significantly different from one
another in sound quality. Some of these sound quality differences may include perceived loudness,
depth, and clarity. Amplifiers that are designed to operate with high voltage as opposed to high
current are typically much better suited to high impedance loads, typically 8 Ohms and higher.
Lower current rated amplifiers have been said to sound dynamically limited and “harsh” at high
listening levels.
High quality “audiophile” speakers can have nominal impedances from 8 – 2 Ohms, and
during very dynamic passages in source material can easily dip below 2 Ohms. These super low
impedance drops can easily choke a high voltage amplifier with limited power storage capacity. For
a high-voltage amplifier, this will likely cause problems and trigger its protection, not to mention the
less than nice sound it may produce. A high-current amplifier operates with much less effort and
typically does not have any problem with these types of speakers.
High current amplifiers offer large amounts of capacitive power
storage. Modern high current amplifiers can handle nominal impedance of 4 Ohms, as well as dips below 1
Ohm while remaining stable, loud and clear with deep bass and good three-dimensionality. A good
example of a “real-world” situation being very close to an “ideal” situation would be our Reference
200.1 mono amplifier. Rated 250 Watts @ 8 Ohms with 150 peak-peak Amps of current, it is quite
the powerhouse. When used with a 4 Ohm load the Reference 200.1 kicks out a cool 425 Watts!
That’s about as close to perfect as one could expect.
So, what’s the bottom line? For use with lower impedance speakers, high-current amplifiers
sound louder, cleaner, and provide more depth than their high-voltage counterparts. High-current
amplifiers will not shut down when the speaker presents a difficult load due to varying dynamics in
source material.
Not my writing (B&K's), but get's the message across. I've owned Levinson, Krell, ARC and Macintosh mostly. Large power supplies and storage capacitance combined with High Current capability just sound clearer, more dynamic and maintain control under complex signal demands. Equating potential HCC Amps of an amplifier to Arc welding is missing the point completely. High current capability reflects internal stability and the amps ability to reproduce complex musical signals during large impedance swings. kinda like having extra power reserves are always better for a speaker, no matter how efficient it is....the results will be less distortion, better dynamics, increased transient speed and better articulation. The HC amp sounds bolder, faster, cleaner and more "alive".
dave_b
Follow Ups:
I had a nice post ready....and the darn thing ATE it.
Anyway, in brief.
I like robust power supplies. No question they bring some sonic benefits along with them.
Big 'AMP' numbers, however don't impress me. I don't think any agreement even exists about how to measure them.....time period, load or do we or do we not stabilize the power the amp is plugged into?
All those huge numbers, if delivered at a sufficient voltage, will handily exceed the SOR of any normal set of output devices. (Safe Operating Range) NAD likes hi dynamic power, which I hope is amps at voltage.
The article doesn't give name to what they, in advertising mode, talk about.....Which is Power Factor.
Power factor is when voltage and current are out of phase. The Cosine of the 'degrees' of lead / lag will give a number between 0 and 1. Zero, is the cos of 90 at which time NO power is delivered to the load. A resistor will have a theoretical value of 0 which means all the power is delivered. I don't think either extreme exists outside a lab.
You never see amps rated into real world loads. People always talk about low impedance speakers as being a 'bad load'. Well, this isn't quite true. Combine a low impedance with a big phase angle and you've got a recipe for an amp killer. At least less than robust amps.
I would LOVE to see a couple amps tested at 4 and 8 ohms. Test them into resistors. Than into 45degree capacitive than into a nice 45degree inductive load. We'll see who's got the goods.
Also, the article glosses over the difference between current source and voltage source amplifiers. The perfect (doesn't exist) zero output impedance SS amp is also a voltage source, while tubes are considered a current source. As kind of an aside, there are a few users here who like really small wire for speaker leads. They may be adding enough resistance to the circuit to simulate a current source amp. Carver had an amp, some time ago with separate voltage and current source outputs. The current source outputs just had some series resistance.
Time for breakfast.:: Amp ON!
Too much is never enough
All I can sau is that I've owned the big amps were talking about and I can attest to the fact that the more powerfull amps of either tube (ARC VT200MKII) or solid state (Krell FPB600) sounded sooooo much better in every way. Of course they were well designed amps:O)
dave_b
No question that more is better. Whether its better in a qualitative sense as some argue or a quantitative sense, as most use, it's better.
But there is the question of which amp actually sounds better.
Now ideally, an amp shouldn't sound like anything at all. Its job is to make the signal bigger. But the fact is they do color the signal.
It would actually be a wash for me, I'd probably take a Pass or a recent Bryston before either of the choices. If I had to go solid state.
BINGO!
Too much is never enough
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