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In Reply to: RE: AUDEZE posted by triamp on September 25, 2010 at 03:34:42
The LCd2 has the best bass and vocals I ever heard in any headphone. I hear the Orpheus and the Stax O2. I liked the Orpheus and did not care for the O2 at all they were both bass light the Stax more so. LCD2 is better in every way and still cant believe how good they are.
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I'd really like to hear the HE90 Orpheus. But they are so pricey and from what I have read they are not that amazing and not relaly worth the money, though they are probabyl better than the Stax O2.
The LCD2 however is likely to be better sounding than either and clearly much better value as its so much cheaper. Just curious, - have you heard the Yamaha YH100 (modified) and YH1000? Or any other good sounding Orthos?
Cheers,
Colin
I have not heard the Yamaha. The Audeze I prefer over the Orpheus because the bass is much better and deeper and more extended. The Audeze is best cans overall I have heard to date. Roomer has it Sennheiser is up to something with a orthodynamic again. It will be curious to see what CES brings but me I may be done as this can gives me everything and then some
Good point Frank, - with the LCD2 you might as well just stop there for spending more money and bother looking around for other phones, - its such a good allroudner. And Like I say you can even use it with cheap(ish) amplification and get good results, - even a small good sounding cheap integrated speaker amp will sound pretty good with it. Leaving you time to upgrade to a more exotic pricey suitably high powered headphone amp in the future.
Your comments on the Orpheus make me inclined not to seek it out now, - this is the second time I've heard someone say the bass is lacking/not adequate, - so there is no point, - the LCD2 is a much better buy for so much less money.
The only other production headphone around right now I would consider getting is the HD800, - it does also seem like pretty good value too (especailly second hand), - it obviously a neutral type headphone like the LCD2 but got a slightly different sounding balance ( brighter), - but I think at when you look at the cost of pricey stats etc, its still good value. A friend of mine described the HD800 as sounding like an HE60 with bass, - which sounds intriguing, - the HE60 had a pure, ungrainy sound but was really lacking in bass. The HE60 was a bit too bright for me though, - I might not be able to take the HD800 if it is like that. Of course the HD800 really needs a bit of $$$$ amp though, - the LCD2 is easier to drive so cheaper to use on that front.
I've not heard my friends rare YH1000 yet but I intend to very soon. Its apparently got more midrange magic than the LCD2, - I've heard another owner say the only other headphone that has such nice mids as the YH1000 was the very pricey bass light Sony R10.
My friend Kabeer likes both the LCD2 and YH1000, - the LCD2 is the best allrounder in all departments, - extension at both end, bass quality all around, - transients, balance, soundstage etc, - but the YH1000 apparently has a lot going for it as well as the mids are a bit more special.
The less rare (but still not that common) Yamaha YH100 is stonking good if you modify it (which is very easy). The problem is they are a little sought after but even with the current prices (which are rising all the time) they are still a bargain right now IMO if you know how to modify it.
I would like to hear the Thunderpants too, - apparently that is not as linear sounding/as technically accurate as the LCD2 but is another Ortho that is a very good all rounder and does most things very well, and it also has great bass (if like I say, its not quite as even throughout the range as the LCD2).
Have you heard the HD800 or the TP?
All the best,
Colin
Cheers,
Colin
The HD800 is bass light IMO and it has a spike in the treble which can be both bright and harsh with some instruments. The T1 I own also is so much better and balanced. Soun stage is not a big bit it is deep and wide and has good bass and I like it better than the HD800, The LCD2 has the best female vocals but I also love the T1 and my D7000 is a great can that makes my foot tap and sounds like a full range speaker. I am done. The Decware CSP-2 tube SET plays both the LCD2 and use a SS Matrix on the D7000
Hi Frank,
Yes I've heard a lot of people mention the brightness issue/treble spike issue with the HD800. And I've heard too that while the bass is quite textured it might lack some extension. Sounds like those issues could be a problem for me. I've not heard the T1 either but I understand that's a great alternative and has a very nice sound overall and is still reasonably neutral, just a bit less soundstage than the HD800 like you mention. I read that the D700 is less neutral than the others with more bass but I can see why having that type of balance could be more fun sounding with some material. I guess the D7000 must be great with movies because of the bass capabilities.
But it seems the LCD2 is the real killer headphone overall, - neutral balance, great bass extension and no spike in the treble, and of course no cone distortion. Great compromise between a dynamic and a stat, - same deal as Maggies in the speaker world.Cheers,
Colin
Edits: 09/27/10
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