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In Reply to: RE: What causes some speakers to be fatiguing? posted by Christopher Witmer on August 27, 2007 at 16:34:39
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The source was SACD and Redbook CD, played back from the same high end Denon multidisc player . . . I have heard this source with other speakers before and never found it to be a problem. In fact, except for the speakers everything in the whole room was a known factor, and -- to my ears -- sonically acceptable, so I'm not inclined to blame it on anything besides something in the way the speaker was implemented.
Instead of leading a big guessing game, why not just describe what you actually listened to? Why make a big abstraction out of it, except that you don't want the speaker manufacturer to feel badly that their product was fatiguing? (That would be a bit paranoid, as I doubt many Japanese dealers either speak much English or hang out on this board.)
Do you think you should only post here when something sounds good, but if it sounds fatiguing then you should keep the equipment anonymous?
Jonathan
Jonathan, I was listening to a work in progress, not a currently marketed product, so I would rather not name names . . . thing is, I found I preferred the earlier version of the same loudspeaker a lot more and I'm trying to get a bit of insight from more knowledgeable people.
By the way, the main difference between the two versions that was immediately visible to my eyes was in the woofer -- the size of the *magnet* used in the motor had been increased by more than 4 lbs, bringing the total weight of the woofer to 60 lbs. I imagine there were other less obvious differences as well, since they are dealing with everything as a system, but that was the one thing that stood out. It is hard for me to imagine how that one change alone would turn a very enjoyable loudspeaker into a fatiguing one.
My own experience with Denon cds and hornsystem (from sub and upwards) is that the denons i tried DN4000/4500, S1000 is fatiguing after a couple of minutes while pioneer cmx3000 and cdj-200,800,1000 is very soft and gentle.
(Different D/A and maybe the lack of errorcorrection on the pioneers is my guess)
So dont rule out the cdplayer because good horns does reveal details in a different way than frontloaded. (The same statement is also valid for the rest of the chain.)
Also, the dynamics of a pure hornsystem in itself can be stressfull if you arent used to that.
-Get a fast compressor, put attack and release at the fastest time possible and use threshold of -infinity and adjust the ratio just above 1:1 to taste. (thats a very odd setting for a compressor)
Then everything will be slightly compressed and the fatigue will go away...
-However, some of the details you gave suggests that it may have been a badly implemented hornsystem alltogether and then it wouldnt matter. Just like bad frontloaded stuff will mask the crap from the source with its own crap.
Ok I was asking since i usually found that precise/accurate
speakers could be extremely tiring with the jitter from the
digital sources.There is a real pb with digital gears.
that does not sound very good at first glance ???
Ok i am more into full/wide rangers.
Agreed, I have found I'd rather live with the problems of the fullrange driver with its mechanical crossover than the problems of multi-driver systems with their electronic crossovers, but I have also heard a number of multi-driver speakers that I can listen to without getting fatigued.
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