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In Reply to: RE: Shure posted by jedrider on June 02, 2022 at 12:17:53
thanks for the reply. I have adjusted my price limit up to , at most , $250 after some shopping. I also now think a single driver design might be the best approach with my budget.
since I won't be able to hear the things before purchase, I figure putting as much distance between my old price point, and new, will hopefully deliver a positive change I will more easily discern.
not really in love with that concept, because I could add that money in to get some real audiophile headphones at higher price points.
plus my past experience, with <$25 stuff, was that they were all somewhat disposable, the way I care for them. turns out running them through bicycle spokes downhill gives one that noise free, ink black background everyone wants, but nothing else.
now, I have pretty much given up shopping for fidelity, and am just looking for a product that won't have an unknown amount of questionable labor or material practices used in making the product.
It seems I am swimming against a pretty big stream with that ask, obviously it is hard to compete against the labor coasts of slaves, exploitive working conditions , or unregulated manufacturing pollution . It seems there must have been a lot of can't beat them, let's join them , decisions made in the past.
another personal situation is that the higher priced stuff is aimed at a buyer who know what they are doing , a more sophisticated consumer than myself. And I don't want to buy some marginal amplification that would only used to make some cheap earphones , or headphones drive properly. To me marginal amplification, besides being unrewarding every single time you even look at it, is just landfill waiting to happen.
I value your suggestion, my last excursion away from the bottom end was with shure earphones, where I broke , not the wires, the main body.
I bought them because I am a big fan of shure products, and still run the last of a string of carts from them , although now using it with a Japanese tip. of course, all their earphones seem to now be Chinese, but are well received.
As an aside, old guys like me will remember when Schwinn bicycles dominated the american mass market bicycle scene. They were having a tough time competing on price, so decided to cut labor costs and move production to china, which at the time , had significantly lower production costs than now.
the first product was unacceptable for the american market, so they had Schwinn production managers go over and show them how to paint and finish, and make the entire product suitable for the american market.
Now , it is hard to find a Schwinn bike, save for big box store cheap stuff not sold in bike shops, while their Chinese trading partner, Giant bicycles , is occupying the floor space where Schwann once ruled.
I think you're wise to stick with single driver earphones. I've owned four or five FiiO multi-driver earphones and now FiiO quit making them. I'd never seen earphones with four and five drivers and I thought they'd be impressive, especially at their prices. One of them cost $500. However, the high frequencies sounded a bit strident to me.
FiiO gave up on the multi-driver earphones in favor if single driver earphones and these new FiiO single driver models are the best I've ever heard. The EM5, FD5, and FD7 are really spectacular. I also own Grado HP-1 and RS-2 in addition to Koss ESP/950 electrostatic headphones, but the FiiO EM5, FD5, and FD7 sound noticeably better to me. The FD7 is the best sounding earphone or headphone I've ever heard.
I'd love to own Stax electrostatic headphones, but I just can't force myself to spend the money. The only model I want is their top-of-the-line, but I'm not willing to spend $10,000. I wish I could borrow a pair to compare with my FiiO FD7. I might be willing to spend $10,000 if they actually sounded significantly better than the $600 FD7 earphones.
glad to hear I am on the right track with putting a single driver as a buying requirement.
Come to think of it , although bass gets the majority of attention, in thinking a bit, treble has always been the frequencies that I more quickly found fault with. I am not saying it is impossible, but a separate little tweeter must be very hard to make musical, and even harder in my price range.
I screwed up on the high octaves before, and wouldn't enjoy repeating that mistake.
I once bought a car speaker I thought was trick, it was a Jenson 6x9 much like any other , except this one had a separate piezo tweeter in a little pod, a great advance over the more common treble drivers placed in the middle of the 6x9 oval that dominated the car stereo market back then.
The problem was I fell for some hype, at the time I read a lot of audio magazines, and they were trumpeting that piezo electric tweeters had just been developed and the world was rosy. it was only a bit later that they happened to mention the things were as annoying as a back up alarm to listen to, only more shrill. Heck , I could have told them that , the first time I tried out my new speaker installation.
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