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In Reply to: RE: Question about modern CD players posted by PAR on August 21, 2019 at 09:16:29
I spent several thousand dollars on bandcamp FLAC store. I want physical media. Also I was just made aware of a player the Marantz SA-KI Ruby. I hope the technology trickles down. I am in no need of SACD at this point.I think there is a Sony player which is discontinued I may have to get that instead.
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> I spent several thousand dollars on bandcamp FLAC store. I want physical media.
Most collectors over the last 2 or 3 decades have also spent several thousands dollars on music on physical digital media - 99% on conventional CDs.
You have chosen to collect on a less conventional format.
What we all have in common is the inconvenience of using this physical media to play our music. The vast majority of us have ripped our CDs onto hard drives and we keep our old-tech CDs in a cupboard somewhere.
You can do exactly the same - in fact easier for you because your music is already in FLAC files, so no ripping required. You can simply copy from your DVDs to hard drives (much quicker than ripping) and store your DVDs in a cupboard somewhere.
I can't see why you need a DVD player any more than most of us need a CD player. Or have I misread your requirement?
the CD vs non-CD universe seems replete with bold statements. On this one, I'm not sure where the stats are that the "vast majority" have ripped their CDs to other media. In my case, I have thousands of CDs and have no intention to do this. Don't see the point to it. But I may be missing something.
Right you are. I use a 4 Terabyte NAS setup with RAID mirroring. And have it backed up to Google cloud storage. What I am trying to do is get it onto high capacity DVD so I can organize that way, but also be able to play it back too. If internet goes down or hard drives fail but electricity is always available I can still listen.
I see a lot of people loving those USB sticks as well for playback, that is great for entertaing guests.
Cheers!
> What I am trying to do is get it onto high capacity DVD so I can organize that way, but also be able to play it back too. If internet goes down or hard drives fail but electricity is always available I can still listen.
> I see a lot of people loving those USB sticks as well for playback, that is great for entertaing guests.
You really have nothing to fear and all you want to achieve can be done with "modern" media that is very reliable.
You can make as many copies of your basic material as you want, so hard drive failures is not a problem - use SDDs to be doubly sure, they come up to at least 2TB.
If you can organise your music onto individual DVDs, you could certainly do the same (with less effort) onto other HDs, SDDs or USB sticks. These sticks are not just for "entertaining guests", but could be used as you intend to use your DVDs - but playable on much more equipment that doesn't require a built-in DVD player.
As far as I'm aware, if you use a NAS to provide music files to your streamer, it still works if the internet does go down (correct me if I'm wrong) and how often does the internet go down? In my experience less often that we get a power cut - which WILL leave you music-less irrespective of what media it's stored on!
Back to your original concern - availability of CD players. Rest assured there will be people manufacturing these things for years, probably decades to come. Million (more like billions) of CDs are in existence and playing them is something that owners will want to do for decades to come. If Marrantz and Mark Levinson are still introducing new CD players, this is surely a good sign. Take a look at Amazon and search for CD Player Separates - there are dozens of current models.
Thank you very much for your help.
I managed to get a Denon DN-500BD MKII professional player. The specifications are very vague, but I do believe I can now use a Blu-Ray burner instead of DVDR.
Well done and I see they are cheap enough. I hope it does what you wantI just wonder (at it's sub-£400 price) whether it'll be up to your hopes sound-wise. My guess is that the streaming route from a NAS should be appreciably superior.
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" I hope the technology trickles down ".
Unfortunately for you that machine is likely to be the final shot. Sales of CDs have collapsed significantly over the past two quarters. Marantz have already decimated their range of optical disc players. What will remain next year at this time aside from very costly high end audiophile players I would hesitate to predict.
CD Players are not dead. Mark Levinson has announced a brand new SACD / CD player, the 5101. This includes a streamer (from Tidal, etc or NAS)and a DAC, but no volume control, so (unlike its predecessors the 39 and 390S) it can't be used directly into a power amp - shame. However (for a Mark Levinson products) it's very reasonably priced at $5500.
I'm not sure if it'll play audio for DVD but certainly CD-R and CD-RW discs are UK.
Yes Peter but as I said " What will remain next year at this time aside from very costly high end audiophile players".
I think $5500 counts as very costly, at least to most people. You may think it "very reasonable" which it may well be given the historic price profile of ML products but it is still a lot of pocket change for the average person.
I also think that its streaming abilities show that ML are aware that few will now buy a box that is just a CD (or CD/SACD) player. Mark Levinson do not even primarily refer to it as a CD player. They describe it as " Network Streaming, Super Audio CD (SACD) player and Digital to Analog Converter ". So Network Streaming is top of the bill.
Best Wishes
Pete
Yes of course $5500 is a lot of money but the 5101 does a lot more than just playing CDs. How much would a good SACD player have cost 5 or 10 years ago? How much was the Mark Levinson 39 CDP (and follow-up 390S) from 25 years ago? It was £6500 and sold in huge numbers! Add inflation over 25 years and the 5101's $5500 looks positively cheap! And it's a streamer that handles all online music from the likes of Tidal and thousands of radio stations (saving the cost of a radio - remember those, we all had one!) and includes an excellent DAC. So a modern day 39 / 390S, but better.Yes it is costly compared with what we've become accustomed to (better quality at lower prices) but look at what our hobby cost a couple of decades ago.
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I can always use Alibaba.
I do not believe optical disc playback is going to die for the next 100 years.
Why do folks feel that handling physical media is such a burden? I have many hundreds of CD's and about 75 LP's. My LP collection is about to grow despite all the "handling" and extra care they need. (Got a new preamp with an awesome phono stage)
As long as I'm physically able to do it, I'll leaf through my collection and smile when I see something that is just what I want to hear at that moment. That's not going to happen on a phone book directory.
BillWojo
. . . a phone book directory? ;-)
(BTW, it's considerably reduced in size for purposes of posting.)
... it looks like a fairly typical playlist from a (formerly time) fairly typial fm 'classical' program. About as adventurous as, say, were it ice cream? ... vanilla.
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