• fair square - Peter Gunn 07:25:43 03/26/08 (2)
  In Reply to: RE: What's that supposed to mean? posted by Davey on March 24, 2008 at 18:08:52

  This reply was generated because of a talk I had with a friend who feels we both are at odds and for the wrong reasons.
  
  First, you have to understand that there is a rediculous number of people who apparently have nothing better to do than give me grief, or try to ever since this "mod" of mine went from being just mine to everyones. (like the person from the netherlands posting that his speakers are shaking as his warranty is void)
  
  Some are overtly and obviously hostile. Some are more sublime, and instead of attacking get their glee from wasting huge amounts of my time.
  
  IMHO many of your "contacts" with me (here or thru email) had an air at times about them of someone who was trying to drag me along for his jollies. Maybe you didn't think so or mean it, but they did. I forwarded some of your letters to friends asking "is it him or me" and their replies were that your motives were not always clear and some tone seemed to be there at times, and occasionally some rudeness expressed by being very short and/or thankless.
  
  I admit I may have been wrong in my perceptions, but that is how I began to perceive it, and my time being so short when that happened I simply cut you off and no longer read your posts or emails at all. I offer my apology for both of those things, but for your own future reference I (and those I showed them to) thought your "wording" often came across as left handed and circumspect, even though you may not have thought so or intended it. (For example, yes, you "thanked me" but only after going to others and complaining that I didn't help you, and the email you sent "asking" for help didn't ask, it had a demanding tone and it also had no thank you)
  
  But lets consider all that what it is, water under the bridge.
  
  As for ther mod, first the XO. If you don't like the XO, that's a matter of taste. It surprises me (and makes me question what it is you listen for) but neither of us is right or wrong in that regard. In any event having done work in that area yourself I can only wonder if there was any need for you to even bother, as it was not something you were unfamiliar with and you probably knew you weren't going to like it going in, so the exercise seems pointless to begin with. A majority may prefer a certain XO, but even then, one cannot say there is one "right" one.
  
  As for the XO taking 300 hours, I suggest you put the time in and listen. I have heard it happen, and many of my customers and other DIYer's who did it themselves write me at that time to tell me of the sudden unexpected change around that hour mark. In fact many high end manufacturers also say it (my Hovland preamp also did indeed take that long to break in, and the change was very obvious when it happened) so I'm not sure why you doubt this. Again, this is why I brushed claims made in a month aside.
  
  OK, now the sucking part :^ ) True enough, that was not the word you used, but in one of the unsolicited emails you sent me, you intimated that my mod was "not all that I thought it was" and that you had measurements and asked if I wanted to know why. I replied and asked when did you hear a pair, whereupon you then said "Hear? I made them."
  
  Now, given what I wrote above, WHY would I invite myself to that table? Your motives to me at that time were suspect, you wrote me out of the blue giving me dribbles at a time, and dribbles that seemed to be doing nothing other than setting me up for a fall I didn't need or believe.
  
  As for the photo, it is a frame of wood but the similarity between it and what I do ends right there. I have very big issues not only with it being hung from the ceiling (which is a terrible thing to do) but it being verticle as well. There's no support, it's not coupled to the floor, and it's not at the correct angle. (or possibly height) Anything you measured off of it setup that way would indeed be lacking I suspect. (I also don't know why it's made like stilts, and where is the XO box? How is it supported? That makes a HUGE difference on how they sound)
  
  In closing, while I appreciate the effort to try to absorb what I do, and I am glad there are aspects you do like, and I am glad your intent was never to "bugger" me, I can say your attempt is not even remotely close enough to give you a true idea what my finished mod really sounds like. I don't mean this abrasively, but the smallest points matter a great deal in how it sounds when it comes together and what you made is a vague facsimile, not the actual thing. I hope one day you get to hear an actual pair made by me. You may or may not like it any more than yours, but at least you'll have heard what I intended.
  
  Again, 1,000 apologies for my bastard-like behavior.
  
  

  
  It's all about the music...
  
  

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  • RE: fair square - MaggieLover 17:01:22 03/26/08 (0)
    In Reply to: RE: fair square posted by Peter Gunn on March 26, 2008 at 07:25:43

    "Again, 1,000 apologies for my bastard-like behavior" Be still my heart, I have been to the mountain top. I wish all the discourses on this forum could be as civil as this last between you and Davey. Best regards to you both.
    
    
    
    Maggies, because you can never be too thin!
    
    Mark
    
    

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  • RE: fair square - Davey 14:38:39 03/26/08 (0)
    In Reply to: RE: fair square posted by Peter Gunn on March 26, 2008 at 07:25:43

    PG,

    Well, you can dismiss my effort out of hand based on my low resolution photo but I believe I did it right.

    The baffle dimensions are the same as yours...the transducer mechanical coupling to the frame is the same...the crossover I used (components broken-in previously with MANY hours) is the same.

    The measurements/observations I made confirm the "action" of the framework as far as energy transfer. I auditioned the system vertically and slanted. If you look closer at the photo you'll see that they aren't suspended from the ceiling, but just resting against another set of speakers that are behind. (I just put them there for the photo opportunity.)

    Actually, suspending speakers from the ceiling can be an excellent solution depending upon the type of speakers and various other factors. That's another topic.

    It's a valid effort (although not identical) to evaluate your modificaton. If the fact that it's not TOTALLY identical completely invalidates (in your mind) my efforts then there's not much I can do about that. :)

    Your comment that my attempt "is not even remotely close enough to give you a true idea......." is pure speculation. (As are many of your comments about various topics on this forum.)

    Regarding me "absorbing" what you do: There wasn't any absorption necessary. I completely understand the concept, and I completely understand the implementation. Your condescension is unbecoming.

    I appreciate your efforts in modding the Maggie systems. It's good work.
    As I said in another posting.....you're not sitting on the sidelines, but in the game working at it. That's much better than most who post on this forum.

    There is no apology necessary. You are what you are. A person shouldn't have to apologize for that.
    My only request would be that in the future if you regurgitate any conversations we had (or might have) offline that you do it accurately and not mis-state me.

    Cheers,

    Dave.

    
    
    

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    Edits: 03/26/08

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